I'm perplexed about the 2011 draft pick swap, it's value is as high as it possibly could be right now. The Knicks show ZERO signs of being a playoff team and with Indiana, Cleveland and even Washington all showing tons more potential, the Knicks are going to find it hard to make into the playoffs even in a crappy conference. Should we look to move the pick now and maximize it's value OR wait and see how truly bad the Knicks can be so we maybe able to use it ourselves?
If the Pick won't get a superstar....than you roll your dice and use it ourselves and pray it results in a high draft pick to potentially fill that superstar "need"
couldn't disagree more; all you can expect is that people make the most of a situation based on the information they have; until the point the rox hire a clairvoyant as GM, not sure how you can expect more
See I tend to agree with you with one exception, Ricky Rubio. I think he might better than anything we could get in the draft next season. If you can package the lotto pick with something else, could that be enough to get the T-Wolves to bite and clear out our rotation a bit this season?
I think two different things are being discussed here, but being treated as one. 1) Was trade a good one? a) would you have made the trade? Did it seem better for houston? b) evaluating the results of the trade as the benchmark for it being a good one or not. I keep making the point that if the picks dont net us something substantial, that the trade wasnt that good. But people are coming back saying, what a great trade it was and how NY screwed itself. 2 different things. 2 different answers. a) Yes, I would have done the trade. It seemed to benefit Houston more than NY. b) If NY starts winning and gets to the playoffs, then our swap is toast and likely our 2012 pick will be a mid rounder. If NY stays bad, our picks are worth MUCH more. So to answer b), we need to see what happens with those picks. Whether we use them ourselves, or use them in a trade. The value of them will be determined by what they bring us.
The cap holds for Luis Scola and Kyle Lowry were going to keep the Rockets from actually having significant cap room. It would not have been much more than the Mid-Level Exception amount, and that would be AFTER renouncing their rights to both Scola and Lowry. So, it was either: (A) $6-8 million in cap room (with none of the players below) or (B) (What turned out to be) Luis Scola, Kevin Martin, Kyle Lowry, Brad Miller and the "Knicks treasure trove" Frankly, I'd rather have (B). But maybe that's just me. SOMEBODY didn't read the "Myth of 2010 Free Agency" thread.
Explain to me how those are two things? You shouldn't want to bad trades. We basically got Hill, 2011 draft trade, 2012 pick, ability to keep Lowry and Scola, and the MLE(Miller) in exchange for 7-8 million in cap space with no MLE after letting Lowry and Scola go. What happens with those picks can only make this trade even better.
I admit.. The complexities of this ive either forgotten, or didnt understand fully to begin with. If what you say here is all correct, then yes, the picks are just a bonus. And the other merits of the trade make it a good one, even if we only get Brian Cook for those picks I stand humbled
Good trade....now lets move on......nothing to see here but how Morey plans to use the pick(s) and exp. contracts and flip them into a positive.
what idiots gave this thread a negative rating? are they knicks fans? (no.) or were they confused at the title? (yes.) Maybe they don't know that we got some stud like Jordan Hill and a decent player like Jefferies and maybe they don't get the fact that if the knicks suck we get great draft picks?
We would have ripped them off if we just did a straight up player swap. http://www.nba.com/playerfile/jordan_hill/ 2010-11 Statistics PPG 5.6 RPG 3.90 APG 0.1 EFF + 8.00 http://www.nba.com/playerfile/tracy_mcgrady/ 2010-11 Statistics PPG 3.9 RPG 2.00 APG 1.7 EFF + 5.90
Oh, yeah, and if all this wasn't enough, the Rockets also managed to dump enough salary on New York to maneuver below the luxury tax threshold and save Les Alexander several millions of dollars in the process. Honestly, this trade has so much win in so many ways, I get goosebumps just thinking about it.
Assuming the Knicks are a lottery team, who will go for the draft lottery? I assume the Knicks have to send a representative, but it would be weird because they'd keep the pick only if it was #1.
The Knicks will have someone at the lottery. I remember in 2003 when Jerry West represented the Memphis Grizzlies in the Draft Lottery when they owed their first rounder (only top-1 protected) to the Detroit Pistons. It was pretty horrible/awesome to see The Logo's face drop when, after getting down to the top 2 spots in the lottery (with a 50% chance at landing Lebron at #1), they announced Memphis's name at #2, meaning that Detroit got the pick. Plus, if the Rockets fail to make the playoffs, at least the Knicks will get to find out where in the lottery they'll get to pick. Who knows? If the Knicks get the #2 pick and the Rockets get the #3 pick, the Knicks may still be excited to have "won the lottery".
Wow you keep posting so many ignorant stuff yet you have the gall to say to me to "read the whole discussion". Here let me break it down for you: 1) There's no need to do any waiting or any further analysis on this, we won on the trade because all we gave up is Tmac's contract for Jordan Hill, 2011 swap and 2012 pick. 2) It doesn't matter how much the trade benefits the Knicks in the future. Why is it against us if the Knicks were able to sign two stars with the cap room we gave them? That cap room they have cost them Jordan hill, a swap and a pick! Those "stars" they sign won't come from Houston and would be in other teams besides houston if the Knicks weren't able to get them anyway. If you're judging it as winners and losers, then the Rockets are already winners by virtue of the fact that they just dumped TMac's contract and got assets in return. The only thing left to determine is if the Knicks are also winners in the deal, or the Rox are even bigger winners because NY just gave them two lottery picks. 3) Jeffries coming to houston has zero impact to our ability to sign other players. As other posters have already said, we are capped out from resigning Scola and Lowry. Being capped out, this means you can't sign other players unless its with the MLE or the LLE. If we didn't get Jeffries, all it means is Les Alexander would be paying 7M less than what he's paying now.
