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Kevin Martin crunch time disappearing acts

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by trugoy, Nov 4, 2010.

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  1. DaDakota

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    We were NOT losing to the Wizards with AB.......

    And I would love to add a star, unfortunatly that is not a given to happen, and have a startegy built around that is a poorly developed one, IMO.

    DD
     
  2. BEAT LA

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    You guys are blaming Martin for the Rockets lack of offense in the 4th when it is Martin's offense that kept the Rockets in it until the 4th quarter.

    I agree with sammy, the Rockets should look to build around Martin and Scola somewhere down the line.
     
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    If Aaron would pass the ball, or control tempo, that would be one thing, but he has consistently waived off Luis and Yao for isolations.


    As I have told the Brooks lovers, your lead guard needs to understand pacing, tempo and 4th quarter control. Chauncey Billups is the player type that we need. Instead, we have a SG playing PG, and with a SG like Kevin Martin, we need someone to control tempo... Maybe Iggy can help...

    Brooks and Martin just don't get it...
     
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    Here's the dilemma: Brooks is the only guy who can step up in crunch time. But when he and Martin are on the floor together, the perimeter defense is so porous that whatever offense they can create together gets negated. Martin is just not a playmaker. He's best playing off of other people. It's been said multiple times, but this is the problem with having too many one-way players.
     
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    A team with Martin and Scola as its best players will be a lottery team, as we are witnessing this year. We need a real superstar to build around. Scola and Martin are complimentary pieces, not the guys to build around.
     
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    Why hate on the guy? He's the only guy scoring along with Scola.

    The offense was moving up to mid-4th quarter with Chase and Miller in. Washington's defense could not key in on 1 or 2 guys. When Hayes and Shane come in, however, the Wiz defense loads up on Martin and Scola. No adjustment from Coach Sleepy.

    Martin is good even if not superstar quality. We should surround him with complementary players like Ariza and Hill and a playmaking PG.
     
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    I can't believe what I'm reading in this thread. Some of the people in here are actually calling to build around Kevin Martin :eek: . Martin is a complimentary piece, he isn't THE piece. Why do you think Sacramento traded his ass, they got their main cog in Tyreke Evans.
     
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    Shut up already. He is the one guy who single handidly got us into the game in the fourth quarter and gave us a chance to win it but Adelman and his stupid rotations and dissapearing act of no stats Battir cant get it done with Martin alone. You expectthis guy to carry Chuck Hayes, Lowry, and Battier who arent scoring in the fourth and Adelman who wont substitute them? Moron fans.
     
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    Another small part of that, Martin cannot REBOUND well either. Him or Brooks. Along with not getting the extra calls late and not being a playmaker, he can't get his team extra possessions or secure possessions with rebounding. He's gotta rely on his bigs to snag the boards (maybe a bit why Scola's rebounds have gone up?)

    You can't say Martin is so quick on the perimeter that he keeps guys away from the basket and is too far away to get rebounds cuz of it. If anything his defense is porous enough where a guys drive past him and often MAKES the layup, without a chance of even getting a rebound off a missed shot :eek:
     
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    Somewhere down the line? Scola is in his 30's.

    You don't build around Kevin Martin. If management decides to build around Kevin Martin and Luis Scola we will be lottery bound.


    Kevin Martin fails to get the job done in the clutch because he concentrates so much on getting a foul called instead of actually making the shot. The refs aren't going to call that ticky tack foul for Martin late in games. If he goes to the hole strong that is one thing but he is taking off balance shots trying to draw contact instead of actually making or finishing the play around the basket. That is why he has struggled late in games.
     
  12. DaDakota

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    Chauncey took YEARS to get there......he got traded about 3 or 4 times before he found that rythmn you speak of...

    AB is getting there, had found a good rythmn last year, then this year, the team's heirarchy switched on him, and he needed time to find a new rythmn.

    While AB is not perfect, he is probably our most important offensive player.

    DD
     
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    This. The last time Brooks was allowed to run the team and takeover he led the Rockets to the lottery. I hope the team has enough sense not to go there again.
     
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    Led an injury depleted team to a winning record.

    AB is not a Superstar, he needs help out there, but he had them on a playoff pace until the team was hit by injuries.

    Sometimes star players - and yes AB is a star player - need help.

    DD
     
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    The only reason he had to lead the team is because the two people making the most money coming into the season last year were hurt. Management are not going to build around Aaron Brooks but he would have been a great piece to have if T-mac and Yao didn't get hurt or we somehow found a way to get Melo or just any type of superstar here.

    Chris Paul led New Orleans to the lottery that doesn't mean he's not good. Not comparing Brooks to Paul but just saying.
     
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    THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU !!!

    More than any other position on the floor a PG is dependent upon whom else is there with him.

    DD
     
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    to the people who want to trade martin

    Let me just say. If you put kmart with a healthy center, in fact if you paired him with dw12, you can guarantee a major playoff run. If he was playing with a healthy, non injury prone Yao, my god we would be 6-1 right now.

    I think that was the main point of bringing him here. Pure offense, so they can't double team the big man.

    And i really think we are lacking in the pg position, don't get me wrong, ab is a great player. But what the rockets need is a pg who runs the offense, not a ball stopper, like Nash. Someone who makes things happen. I really think that is the main thing we are lacking.

    If ab can do this and become a playmaker, we can be a scary good team
     
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    Bynum/lowry
    Martin/ lee
    Prince/mcgrady
    Scola/ hill/patterson
    Ming/ Miller
     
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    ^ I'm going to be repeating myself but thats exactly what kevin martin is and what he was brought here to do. He is suppose to be the complimentary scorer with Brooks and Yao. With none of them here right now or not playing up to par, he easily becomes a scapegoat for everyone on this board. I guess being in the top 10-15 in ppg this season as a 2nd,3rd option means nothing.
     
  20. DaDakota

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    And the guys he is complimenting are currently out with injuries.

    Any team that loses 2 of it's best players is not going to be very good.

    DD
     

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