Vince is looking at alot already trying to handle Stackhouse. Jordan now is up for discussion. Jordan at his best, ain't noone can **** with
What NBA coaches and general managers are saying about "Vinsanity": Lenny Wilkens, Toronto Raptors head coach I've finally got the kind of player that can take the big shot, make the big play, when there's six seconds left and the game is on the line. And I'm loving every minute of it. With Vince, I would rank him up there with all the great players who've played the game, and he's still maturing. He has great athleticism, but he also has a great feel for the game. I tell him the sky should be the limit. That should be your goal – the sky. It's a good goal to have, because even if you don't touch the sky, you can make the stars or the moon, and that's pretty good, too. Glen Grunwald, Toronto Raptors GM We've been lucky – really lucky. Vince has been a gem from the start. You have to remember, he came to us at a time when we were way down. Nobody wanted anything to do with us, and we needed someone like him. I guess you could say everybody does. Butch Carter, former Toronto Raptors head coach It shows you the dedication he has. He's not going to be satisfied with himself until he's a complete player. A lot of young players think they can just get by on their talent, they don't realize how much work has to be done to improve. When we give him something to work on, he does it. Flip Saunders, Minnesota Timberwolves head coach I want to see somebody better than Vince Carter. He single-handedly beat us. Jeff Van Gundy, former New York Knicks head coach People say give him the jump shot, which is ludicrous. He's got the ability to post, he has the intermediate game, he can get to the rim and he can get to the line, and last year against us hit two late threes to seal the deal (in a Toronto win). So offensively he has the whole deal. Those are the guys most difficult to deal with in our league. One-dimensional players – drivers or shooters – those guys you can handle. It's guys who have short, long and intermediate games that give you problems. If he's driven, he'll be one of the greats in this league for a long time, and perhaps one of the greatest of all time. What Carter's Olympic teammates think of his talent: Kevin Garnett, Minnesota Timberwolves forward He's the one that I think is going to be the premier player of the league. I know him, he works hard, a lovely game to him, you know? Plays hard and that's what is the so-called ax on the young cats. "We don't play hard, we don't want it as much," but that's just the old to the new, how they see us. Antonio McDyess, New York Knicks forward Athletic-wise and jumping-wise, he's probably ahead of Jordan at this stage. I feel like he's going to be the next Jordan. You can really see the raw talent in him. He's still learning the game, but he can really play. Jason Kidd, New Jersey Nets guard, on Carter's dunk over French centre Fredric Weis That's the next coming, Michael Jordan hasn't done that, nobody's done that. I think everybody sitting here, even myself as a teammate, enjoyed watching a player like that – and for him to be so young! He's going to put people in the seats. Opposing players' thoughts regarding Carter's jumping and dunking ability: Allen Iverson, Philadelphia 76ers guard and 2001 NBA MVP Vince Carter is one of those guys who can take a quarter off the top of the backboard and put one back up there. Shawn Kemp, Orlando Magic forward He's probably the most exciting individual in basketball right now. Basically, he's a human-highlight film. Ray Allen, Milwaukee Bucks guard Vince has silly hops. He's just up there, almost making up his mind in the air. When he gets up there, he can do whatever he wants with the basketball. Stephon Marbury, Phoenix Suns guard You can write anything you want to write about him. Anything you got in your mind as far as what you can imagine, you can write. In a game, in a competition – he's the greatest dunker I've ever seen. I've never seen nobody dunk the ball like him. NBA great Michael Jordan, Washington Wizards forward/guard, on Carter and the evolution of the dunk I'll give you a great example of the evolution of the game. In the slam dunk contest, the major feat was to take off from the free throw line. Dr. J (Julius Erving) was the first to do it, then I did it. What was different about the way the two of us did it? When Dr. J took off, he ran. I dribbled, which is harder to do because you've got to get your rhythm together. People never even noticed that. That was my way of improving on what Dr. J did. That was taking it to the next level – the evolution of the dunk. And then in the All-Star game in 2000, Vince Carter took off with two hands from the free throw line. That's the evolution of how change happens. Current and former teammates share their thoughts on Carter: Dee Brown, former Toronto Raptors teammate I've seen Vince play since he was in high school. He hasn't changed. Not one bit. He's still the same kid that got to this league. Kevin Willis, former Toronto Raptors teammate We go to different arenas, and they all come out because they know Vince Carter is coming. They love that. Charles Oakley, former Toronto Raptors teammate He's not like a lot of the kids, not too much into himself. He's about the team, not too much hype. Some kids, it's all hype. He knows how to play. Antonio Davis, Carter's Raptors teammate Before I thought Vince was all about the "oohs" and "aahs." Now, watching him before, in, and after practice, I see Vince is all about getting better and making his team better. That's something I didn't think he had before. Most guys who are into making highlight film aren't about looking at the columns to see if their team is in a good position to make the playoffs. I think he feels and knows what's more important. Once he realizes how good he is, then look out. He's learning, but he still doesn't have a good idea of what's out there for him. One thing about this room: We'll let him know what we think. One thing about Vince: He'll take it the right way. Jerome Williams, Carter's Raptors teammate It's crazy. Every day I go to work it's like, "I saw something today you'll never believe. You won't even understand it." It's just one of those things where he just has a God-given talent to be very creative with a round object. To make the NBA you have a have a certain level of creativity but he goes above and beyond people I've ever seen . . . and I've played with Allen Iverson and Grant Hill. _________________
Damn, I guess it would have to be pretty high for you, considering the ultra-optimistic numbers contained in your sig...
The "Next Jordan" wont be called the "Next Jordan." He will take the league by storm, and will be SO unique, SO skilled that it will these factors that allow him to exceed ones expectations. This is the same thing that happened to Bird, Magic and Jordan. They were SO different than anything that people had seen before that it was a true sight to see. I'm sorry. But the current generation wont do it. They were weaned on ESPN highlights (wanna-be Jordans) during the early 90's. Right now, there is a 10 year old kid watching the NBA. This kid is learning what makes players "all hype" and what makes players "legitimate." He is learning what makes the International players so "ready" and so many US high-school draft picks "not ready." He is learning which players show up on ESPN during the regular season (hype), and which players show up on CNN during the championship (not hype). It will be this kid that takes the league by storm. And you'll know it when you see it for the first time.
It's a boxscore. Not a PPG average. And what do you mean, "it would have to be pretty hight for you?" What has to be high? We were talking about Vince and Jordan.
supprise supprise supprise, did u wrote that part urself?? " Vince Carter took off with two hands from the free throw line."?? wow, cool. if that was the dunk u were talking about!!! forget it, u will never find the type, b/c he never never never took off from the ftline(or else, u should add on "took off 3steps over the ft line during the 2000 dunk contest"
If I'm not mistaken, you are arguing with Michael Jordan, not loogie...Now I'm not the biggest Jordan fan in the world, but I suspect he knows a bit more about dunking than you, Ac... In all seriousness, all the free-throw dunks have actually stepped over the line, and I think the closest to actually being on/behind it was Barry...But think about how much harder it would be to dunk with two hands than one, from any long distance...I can't dunk with two hands from any distance, but I can with one of I get a running start.
AcBrave: I took that article from NBA.com, so if you have any problems with it, go argue with the players. As for the clip, it was the 99-00 NBA playoffs in MSG, Vince had his only fast break, Sprewell and Childs were closing in fast, he wanted the 2 points and took off from the line. Once Courtside posts it, you will see what a b**** you are.
Video Ok, he's a step inside the line, but its in the playoffs with less than a second on the clock. But damn, if that doesn't show he can't jump off 1 leg, I don't know what will.
yes!i saw that game, it was pretty crazy for VC. but u were comparing him w. MJ!!. MJ did much better ft line dunks.(in fact, i still want to c that "2handed dunk" u claimed) go take a look at the National Jump ASSO.'s website http://www.nja.coolfreepage.com/intro.htm and u will c who is the real b****
Come on now, that's childish and uncalled for. Flip, I'll give you 5. Shaquille O'Neal, Tim Duncan, Tracy McGrady, Kobe Bryant, and Kevin Garnett. That's not including Chris Webber, Paul Pierce, Gary Payton, Dirk Nowitzki, and Jason Kidd...all of whom you can make a valid argument for. Again, Vince has all the tools; all he needs is to obtain the right mentality. From the quotes I've seen from him, he's on the right track.
Don't you think that precluding someone from being the next league star by virtue of his style/type is as silly as assuming he has to fit the same style/type of the last one? If you don't know what he's gonna be like, you don't know...period. You can't say 'We have no idea...but he WON'T be X..."
MacBeth, all I'm saying is this: The moment someone compares a new player to player X or player Y, then, that player has to live up to that standard the rest of his career (not fair to that new player). It always turns into a gross exaggeration. Harold Miner, Jerry Stackhouse, and Kobe Bryant all received the mantra of "the next Jordan." Have those prophecies come true? Some might say that Kobe is "the next Jordan" given time... Well, he might get more *rings* than Jordan. But so what!? Did he lead his team to all those rings? Did he really become the "next Jordan?" Plus, Kobe started playing *great b-ball* once he started playing "Kobe's game" not when trying to imitate Jordan's moves. Phil Jackson had a talk with Kobe to make sure he doesn't fall into that "wanna be like Mike" trance and start jacking up shots. He plays sloppy when that happens. What a fan (Loogie) of a new player is *really* saying is this: He has skills that are similar to player X or player Y. That's fine. I'll agree that VC has skills reminiscent of Jordan. But, the moment that someone says "the next Jordan" or "the next Hakeem" Well, sorry. You just shot yourself in the foot there. Because the the next time we see "the next Jordan" YOU WONT HAVE TO SAY IT. It will be so obvious!
