I keep responding to these posts thinking "there are so many clueless posters on this board" but then I realize they're all posted by the same person.
Why doesn't Ish fit in Adelman's offense? Does Adelman's offense need a combo guard like Bibby or Brooks?
He's just voicing his displeasure in Adelman's offense. I believe he's the type of person who thinks we're losing because we aren't scoring enough.
Great post. We have just been witness to how a true pg makes other players good by controlling the tempo and getting everyone involved in the offense. Ish also showed us, for the first time this season, how a pg influences the whole chemistry of a team. The cohesion of the team in the one and half games run and organized by Ish is something to learn from and truly enjoy.
I never said you couldnt find them. I said it's rare for them to make it and stick around and those who do usually don't start out having elite skills, otherwise they would have probably been drafted. I'm also not saying Ish cant stick around the league or even become a starting point guard one day, but let's face it, the chances of it happening are not great, and are even lower when a PG doesnt have two important things like height and scoring/shooting ability. It's very different when you're playing point as well, notice of all the players you listed, only one was a point. con·trol (kn-trl) tr.v. con·trolled, con·trol·ling, con·trols 1. To exercise authoritative or dominating influence over; direct. See Synonyms at conduct. 2. To adjust to a requirement; regulate: controlled trading on the stock market; controls the flow of water. Ish hasnt controlled the tempo. He offers a change in tempo. It's not the same thing. To control something you must have the ability to change it when you please. Ish doesnt change it when he wants, he takes what the defense gives him. That is not controlling anything. A point who can push the ball even when a team picks him up early or can have the presence of mind to slow down when things are turning run and gun, that is controlling the temp. Ish hasnt done that. Maybe he will, but as of now he definitely has not. Teams aren't pressuring him. He gets to run the length of the court every time and that's just pushing the tempo. To say he's controlling it would be like saying you control your wife because she took you to a rockets game, but she's the one who made the plans and invited you. You didnt do anything, other than take what she was offering/giving you.
I too like what I saw from Ish, but isn't it too early to jump on the wagon? Ish had some nice assists, but knocked down 4/16, and 3/11 last and tonight. Didn't it remind everyone someone called Rafter Alston? I am pretty sure that Ish is not yet on anybody's scout report. If there is a good defender on him cutting off the passing lane, can he continue to help the team? If he is given all his open shots close to the arc, can he make the other team pay? All I want to say is, please don't judge a guy based on only two games. The 4 losses are not the fault of Brooks alone. We just had the first win of the season, let's enjoy as much as we can, but don't jump on Ish wagon as if we had just traded for Chris Paul.
Whoa, hold on now....cohesion organized by ish? you're giving the rookie wayyyy too much credit. This team has come together becuase they're done if they dont...it's out of necessity and they're professional and intelligent enough to know that themselves individually. Look at the huddles and you'll see Battier clapping telling them everything is fine. Or Scola will take them aside and make sure they're on the same page. Hayes giving them a pat on the back and some words of encouragement/praise. Also look at how they got their points...yes, ish had some very nice passes on the break and he got guys involved in that way...but there were a lot of plays in the halfcourt where ish is just the guy passing the ball and then getting out of the way. Ish had 6 nice assists, but battier had 4 and so did Lee. Scola had half his points from the free throw line. Martin had 12 pts during a stretch in the middle of the 2nd qrtr, most of them coming when Ish was resting. Yao also had a good run during that time, scoring 11.
I can't blame you for being a Brooks junkie who thinks a 42-40 record led by Brooks is equivalent to an NBA championship. Spare me your blind love for Brooks. I want the Rockets to win the championship and I don't think Brooks can help them get there other than to play a sixth man role off the bench. I have consistently argued that the weakest position with the Rockets was the pg position with Brooks as the starting pg. The past one and half games have proven me right and I think I will be proven right at the end of the season. Go on with your Brooks lovefest but count me out of that delusion. Brooks is a midget sg and no matter how you rant and rave it does not change that reality.
The problem with Brooks is he tries to do too much and and looks for his shot first. I don't think he can handle taking only 5 shots a game since it's been programmed in his head as a kid that he's a scorer.
False, Brooks is trying way too hard trying to pass the ball or look for the play. This causes him to panic or lose control of the ball. Brooks needs to start jacking up threes at the end of the game; he is the AI type takeover point guard.
Pushing and Probing the defense intelligently, is by definition, controlling tempo... Working through every option of the fastbreak, and making the intelligent decision to pull the ball out and get a better shot, is controlling tempo. Ish has been a vast improvement as far as tempo and decision making is concerned.
Don't assume things, it makes you look like a you know what. I never once mentioned Brooks in my reply, and i've actually been pushing for a Brooks for nash trade in the Dish. i believe that just takes into consideration missed shots as well? Im not sure this would apply here much if Ish is passing to battier who's then setting up yao in the post for a shot. Or if Ish passes to scola who kicks it back to lee, who passes to Martin for a jumper. And like i mentioned, there was some solid scoring done while Ish sat also. do you have an actual number you found? You have to be succesful more than you're not throughout a game to control it...if ish quickly dribbles upcourt 10 times and 10 times he has to pull it back out because they collapsed on him, then what exactly did he control? Is he not going to start where he would have if he just walked the ball upcourt 10 times? If he pushes the ball upcourt and succesfully gets an assist, then i'd say he controlled the tempo on that play....but it's one thing to point out a few plays, especially when they are all fast breaks, and claim that he controls the tempo in general, as in throughout the game, like the OP suggested. I dont think thats what is meant when people mention how well some guards control the tempo. It's too spotty and limited to pushing the ball to say he controls it well in a game. You have to know when to push it or slow it down because you feel it's best, not because the D forces you to. For example, on a few occasions he pushed it and couldnt go further into the paint, rather than passing it or dribbling back out, he shot a contested runner. I believe yesterday he was cut off, stopped his dribble, and then shot a semi-turnaround hook in the paint......maybe that was more last night than tonight, but it just goes to show you how small the sample really is. You can't be sure of much right now. Brooks actually does push the ball himself, but i think he tends to stay away from the middle of the floor and therefore has less room to work with and his vision is limited. On the other hand, Ish is going to the middle and that's what has created some good opportunities.
From the way I saw it, he created so many oppotunities for open shots and alot of those oppotunities lead to opponent fouling. If you see his passes you'll realise they hit right on target most of the time giving people really comfortable rhythm, kinda like Nash. Although i have to say his shot is way to off people can leave him driving into the lane for a open layup and he'd brick it.
