These are stats for the highest scoring PG of the other team for each game. Very simple. The Highest Scoring Opposing PG scored 16.6 ppg in games Francis played By my count, there are 26 PGs in the NBA who got more than 25 minutes per game. The league scoring average for those 26 players is: 14.1 ppg The Rockets/Francis are giving up 2.5 points to PGs above what PGs are scoring in the league.
That's probably partially a result of Steve needing to put the ball in the hole a little more, as well as needing to up the defense. Plus, having a legitimate big man down low should make his job a little easier.
Why did you not mention the amount Francis outscores them (5 ppg) as you did with the Mobley thread? You know what you have started, right? Kenny Thomas - go!
Isn't this less about Steve and more about the way the Rockets defense the position in general? I mean, it's always been this way even before Steve got here. Stockton, Payton, Strickland, Barros, Avery Johnson...they all killed us at times. A lot of it has to do with the fact that the Rockets admittedly defense the pick and roll differently than any other team. I've never particularly cared for the concept of going behind the pick, but that's what they've done. Hard to lay this problem off on Steve alone.
rimbo, Francis should outscore the opposing PG on a nightly basis, no one questions that. He better since he is so low on Ast/TOs. Someone asked for this lookup to see how we were doing against PGs. The Mobley thread was started because people actually believe he gets outscored regularly. Smeggy, Game 1 Mobley was guarding Terry, but Davis was guarding Mobley. I don't recall the second game except Davis didn't play. Jeff, Steve's defense is inexusable. Same with Kenny Smith's and Matt Maloney's. "Hard to lay this problem off on system or Rudy." as an aside, Francis gave up more than Baron Davis's average on 20 out of 57 games (by my quick count).
Great Point Jeff, the picknroll defense has always had me befuddled, however not sure anyone was saying it just Steve's fault. The question is, with PGs is it just Points by Steve and his opponent we want to compare, just for me the objective for a PG is not just to Score points himself. If the only objective is to score points then Steve wins everytime with his scoring average 21.6 which is 5 up on his opponents. Surely for PGS assists and turnovers have to come into the discussion. For me, both the team and Steve personally need to lift the defense, i think Ming will help the team defense and also help Steve's defense, but have this lingering thought that Rudy won't help it much, unless of course he hires a defensive coordinator to look after the defense. The other thing that stands out is hopefully with Ming and the plethora of forwards we have that they can hit the boards harder and Steve's rebound numbers will take a dip and instead can lead the break/transition a bit more. Which is turn might see his assist numbers go up (can i also dream of a reduction in turnovers). PS Rimmy- ouch ........ NOT! I really didn't even feel that, I hate Heal, you need to research a little better with your retorts.
I don't care about your opinion...he was the best backcourt guy your country has ever produced (although he clearly was lightyears behind the best - Luc Longley). It wasn't personal towards you. heyp, That makes sense and was actually my first reaction - that his assists and turnovers were more important. Is it too complicated to see if players average more assists against Steve - that would also attest to defense.
I'm not saying Francis is a good defender. He's not. I'm just saying that maybe the system contributes to the problem as well. I think it's both.
If you are talking about Mobley pts allowed vs the League, HeyP made a thread about it already. He made this thread after that one, since someone asked him what Francis's numbers were. Not quite suprised by the numbers, but am a bit disapointed. Just hope that Ming can help lighten the load a bit.
I commend you Heypartner on the stats that you pulled up very impressive. This just shows that we (Rocket fans ) have to much time on our hands and I can't wait for the season to start.
The combination of Griffin and Ming will, IMO, make this team an ABOVE average defensive team. Last year, our best shotblocker was Cato. So when Cato was in position, he was SOME help. But this time, we have Griffin and Ming. No matter what you do, if youdrive to the basket, you will run into at LEAST one person who averages AT LEAST 2 blocks a game on limited minutes. That's tremendous IMO.
I always thought we defensed the pick'n roll that way because Rudy would rather test opponent's jumpers than give them the opportunity to foul the Cato on a drive. Unfortunately, those guards also happened to be very good jump shooters (with no one in their face).
That is VERY misleading. Francis Averaged 41 minutes per game and you are going by PG's that average 25 min per game or more. In order to get a better estimate as to what Steve gives up, YOU MUST add the number of points the back up is scoring AS WELL AS TAKE INTO ACCOUNT HE PLAYS SG FOR AT LEAST 10 MIN PER GAME.
Also, points is not all that you are looking from out of a PG, you have to look at the number of assists he gives up as well.
To get an assist would mean when you do pass the ball SOMEONE would have to put it iin the basket, or sometime even catch it. Hummm lets see Kelvin Cato...NO, Ming, we'll see. I bet that assist ratio increases with Ming, Boki and and improved Griffin on the floor whaddathink?
