Battier's offensive liability can no longer be ignored

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to larsv8 again.


DD

 

Because NO wanted Ariza vs 31 year old Shane?

I mean seriously imagine Chris Paul dishing it to Shane?Chris wouldn't rack up his assists........

 

Yes, because thats how desperate we were to get a backup SG Courtney Lee....We absolutely had to have Courtney Lee no matter what. We had to offer something to get him, because Lee was must have...a number 1 priority.

Bottom line, we fleeced New Orleans by giving them our trash.

 

Ariza was playing out of position until the Martin trade, trying to do things a typical sf is not capable of doing. After the Martin traded, Ariza returned to his natural position from which he was able to flourish until the very last game of the year.

Your post is worthless because it is out of context.

 

We can see that....



Once again this is more about them knowing CBud will be a starter soon.

DD

 

Hey DD, what that **** was that? I certainly didn't type that stuff that you just quoted about making excuses for Ariza.

I can tolerate a lot of stuff, but I will not stand for dishonesty. Now I know why you have so many people hating on you.

Clutch will hear about this.

 

Oh ok, well now that Ariza is back into his correct position with the Hornets, lets take a look!

8+ shots a game at 38% shooting
4+ threes a game at 31% shooting
64% free throw shooting

Oh man, but 2.3 STEALS A GAME!!!! What a defensive monster!!!!

Ariza is trash.

I will concede however, that I have not actually watched any Hornets games this season.

 

Oh come on, that was all in good fun, I still like your posts.

Feel free to edit mine...others do.....or you can tell clutch, whatever.

DD

 

how do you know, we didn't try to offer Shane and NO didn't want him? With NO sitting at 3-0 vs Rockets 0-3, at this current sample, we got fleeced..but hey we saved money.

 

Why would NO want battier in the first place? Why would Houston even offer him? Doesnt make sense for either side. NO needs athletes and shooters next to CP. Belinelli and Ariza fit that perfectly. They have a shot blocker in Okafor who can erase Ariza's gambles. Remember it was NO who was stuck in a bad place here, not Houston. NO needed to pick someone up to help CP and hopefully keep him in town. Houston wasnt necessarily desperate to unload Ariza, they just saw a chance when NO had their backs against the wall and they could pick up a defensive SG. Ariza is someone you take a gamble on when you need something and dont have a lot of options. It's what Houston did when they feared tmac was done. It's what NO is doing to keep CP happy.

all this really doesnt say much, if anything, about battier's position and value.

 

The Stromile Swift of small forwards!!!!

that's brilliant, and I could not agree more.

 

As to the OP and the title of this thread,

Battier's offensive liability can no longer be ignored.

Some point this season Chase should be starting. I don't know if its going to be after the all star break our right before the playoffs start but he is developing into a really good player his defense will get better as he gets more playing time and Battier is clearly a liability that can no longer be ignored.

 

Josh Smith anyone? I don't think Atlanta will be able to afford him much longer. If we get an athletic forward like Josh Smith, he could be much more effective than battier right now even if he played a 3. Being that Smith is a pretty well known defender in most categories, and that his offensive game is at worst an athletic offensive rebound + dunk, I think him at the 3 would be wonderful for this team.
What would we have to give up to get him?

 

check out the end of this thread, http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?t=190437

 

I have nothing against Lee. I like him. He's nice role player, especially coming off the bench, but you're deluding yourself if you think that either him or Battier are as good as Ariza.

 

Nice.
Yea, It would be a good deal to get him if we could. If Battier cannot offer any offense (excluding the 35% corner three and the newly acquired 'post' moves), which if his career is any indicator, he is not going to do, his trade value is going to plumet each season.

In the past, Battier would get in the face of his assignment, making even a jump shot an ordeal. Now that he is older, he has backed off just a half step. The real players still have the explosive step to get by him, and they now have the ability to just shoot over him.

The Rockets team defense really does need massive improvements, but I think most people are just fed up with the 'Battier is such a great attribute to our team due to XYZ intangibles'. Why dont we grab Brian Cardinal if we really want someone to do Battier's (current) job at a cheap price?
Battier could be a great 20 minute/night guy. He doesnt even have to be second string, we just cant have a 0 on offense for 30+ minutes a night. He doesnt even take open shots anymore..

 

I am glad the Rockets hired professionals to run their team. If CF posters were given DM's job, our parents, grand parents, kids, cousins, spouses, girlfriends, heck, even our neighbors and pastors are all in danger of being traded all over this planet.

 

It seemed to me like you were taking a shot at Lee for not being a "championship role player" because he lost with the Magic. If you want to be that literal, then there's a lot of players who are technically "championship role players" who arent good or as good.

Since Ariza has a ring, will he automatically be valued and seen as a championship role player for the rest of his career, even if he never gets out of the first round again?

In your mind, is Vujacic better than Lee because of this?

 

What is Ariza better than Lee at?

 

Ariza demonstrated the ability to step it up when it counted the most. Battier has not demonstrated this. Courtney Lee also had a poor showing in the Finals i.e. when it counted the most. Why do you think Boston picked up Posey? The knew he was a championship role player, and he once again didn't disappoint when it counted the most.

Courtney Lee is a nice player who can play a role coming off the bench, but he's not in the same mold of a guy like Ariza i.e. a role player who starts and who can help win you a game on the big stage.

Who do you think is better, Ariza, Battier, or Lee, and why?

Nice attempt at a straw man.

The poster Redao and DCkid have given you the answer to this question. Durvasa even said that he was better than Lee. Overall or across the board, Ariza is just a better basketball player than Lee. Whether your emotions will allow you to see that or not is another issue, but you can go and compare their numbers in the 2009 NBA Finals if you need proof. Again, one guy is a starting role player who has the ability to make game changing/game winning plays (see 2009 Western Conference Finals and NBA Finals for examples) and the other is a nice role player who should come off the bench, but not one that can impact games as much as the former, especially on the big stage.