Newton basically won the Heisman today. Only person who can touch him is possibly James but i doubt it
LOL! On 4th and 6 from about their 30, 3-ish minutes and 3 time outs left, LSU goes for it. They call time out, send 10 men onto the field (I think intentionally), send a WR (Tolliver) on as the 11th, and have the QB (Lee) wave him off the field frantically. The WR stops by the LSU sideline to pretend he's off the field. -- but Auburn covers him. Oops. Lee rolls out to Tolliver's side, everyone's covered, and Lee's stopped like 5 yards short. As I type, Auburn's in a victory formation after getting two first downs and draining LSU's time outs. (As I edit, it's over.)
Then you're just making a bizarro comparison. They are playing college football. Whether you would want them on your pro franchise is irrelevant. Guys like Graham Harrell, Colt Brennan, and many more were fantastic college QBs who are barely hanging on by a thread in the pros if they're still around. Colt McCoy was an incredible college QB and Josh Freeman sucked, but they were drafted into their respective draft slots for reasons. That makes Freeman a better pro prospect than Colt not a better "player". I don't think people are just talking about the numbers Vince put up that season -- which are actually deflated because he usually played about one series in the 2nd half. Vince Young the player was simply awe inspiring that year. 4th and 19? No problem. 4th and 5 for the national championship? Done. I think every fan in the stadium, and every USC defender knew what was going to happen on that play, and there nothing anyone could do about it. Newton's done a lot of great things this year, but he's a ways away from reaching Vince Young 2005 status.
No, I'm not. All I said was Newton is the better player. When I say better player I mean exactly that. I said multiple times that he's not going to match Vince's senior season. I even said he won't match Tebow's season. I'm well aware of the fact they are playing college football which is why I qualified and explained my statements. Not sure why you broke down the draft slot thing to be honest. You pretty much broke down my point exactly. Thanks? And after reading the last part I think I understand now. While I've made the statements "I don't think Newton can match Vince's senior season" and "I doubt very few players ever will" you ignored all that to give your own personal breakdown of Vince's senior season. I have seen that agenda on this board quite frequently. Your problem is you're pitching that to the wrong person. I already said it was one of the best seasons ever and i don't see many players matching that. I also explained my point thoroughly on what I meant by better player, and said nothing Newton can do this season will match Vince's senior year at Texas.
What, exactly, is your definition of better player? I don't think anyone understands what you're suggesting. Are you arguing that he's better, but he won't show it? If you put him on the 2005 Texas team or those Tebow Florida teams, do you think he'd accomplish what Vince/Tebow did?
Fair enough. I have no problem clarifying. Why would I be arguing that "he's better, but he won't show it?" My defenition of better player pretty much goes as to what I think he's going to do with his football career. It's based on how I feel he will not only project into the NFL, but likely what he can accomplish there. Nobody said "better college football player" or this wouldn't be a debate. I said better football player. To me, I'd rather have Newton on my NFL team over Vince right now. Honestly, I don't think you could drop him on the Texas and Florida teams and have those two teams accomplish what they did but that's pure speculation really. If he spends four years at Texas or Florida then who knows, but it's hard to argue against the bond that Vince had with his teamates at Texas and what Tebow had at Florida. Not sure if Newton is that type of a leader at the college level.
I'm NOT agreeing with what you said. Vince was a better player than Cam Newton is now. If you disagree with that, feel free to be wrong. The NFL has nothing to do with it. Also, everybody in their right mind knows Cam Newton won't duplicate VY's 2005/06. Maybe nobody will. But whether you compare their stat lines or the players' abilities, VY comes out on top of Cam Newton. He was one of the best college players of all time that season. Cam Newton isn't even in that discussion.
Vince had a better college football season then Cam Newton will ever have. Vince was not, nor never will be a better football player then Newton is. If you disagree with that, feel free to be wrong. The NFL most certainly has something to do with it. Never argued anything related to Vince's college production or what he accomplished at that level. Let me try explaining this in a different way. Barry Sanders and Jim Brown will never match the stats that Emmitt Smith put up, but they are most certainly better football players.
So here's the problem. You're equating "better player" to "better NFL player" - no one else is really on that same page. College football and the NFL are two different sports in many ways, meaning players don't necessarily translate from one to the other. "better NFL player" and "better college football player" are two different things.
That's not what I'm doing though. To me, better player means better player period. Look, I'm a huge Michigan fan and was loving what Denard was doing until he got hurt. Does the fact he was having the best season up until that point mean he was a better football player then Luck, james or Newton? No, not at all. That's where I'm coming from. There's no question that better "NFL player" and better "college football player" are drastically different. It appears the fundamental issue here is we have different definitions of what " best football player" entails which is completely cool.
Too early to say. What if Cam Newton never plays a down in the NFL or he ends up backing up an old fart like Kerry collins?
