[ESPN] New York Knicks Making Progress on Carmelo Anthony Trade

Me, personally, i am discussing the possibility that we can acquire one of either Randolph or Chandler. I have given up on the possibility of Melo to Houston.

 

He's right though. They won't always start a play for Yao. There may be 18 games in back to back sets that Yao won't be in any plays at all. Yao will play 24 minutes max. For 24+ minutes, he is not even in the game.

 

LOL. AB is not a role player. He could be an allstar on many other teams in the league, and could someday in the not too distant future be one on the rockets. By your definition of a role player, 98% of the league would be role players. So because the Celtics didnt win the title last year and because KG isn't always the number 1 or 2, he's a role player? And who's to say AB isn't a star on a championship team? We are/will be contending for a championship with the rockets this year and Yao plays only half the game if that. So wouldn't KMart, Scola, and AB be the alternating 1 and 2 on a contending team most of the time? The way our team is set up we have at least 4 players that could be stars on most NBA teams and in essence pretty much are stars on our own team. Just because we have 4 players on our team that alternate between who is number 1 and number 2, doesn't mean the other 2 are then role players. Role players are Udonis Haslem, Battier, Trevor Ariza, Robert Horry in his day, Dikemebe when he backed up Yao, etc.

 

I doubt it. Especially since Yao and Martin are going to murder his stats.

If 90% of teams have an Allstar on their team then you 98% would be incorrect. and if you are not a star then you are a role player or a pine rider. 65% of the NBA are role players. 20% are just bench players begging for minutes and the last 15% are legit stars.

I'll stop right here because if you think we are contending with this team as constructed, you need help.

 

His stats went up with Martin last year, and with Yao his assists should go up and his wide open shots should to.....

You don't know if we are or are not a contender with this team, and neither does he or I....

Let's just see what happens before pussing out and giving up...mmmkay?

DD

 

Exactly, and you're right I don't know for sure if we are a contender, but I do believe we have the talent base to possibly contend. It just depends on how it all comes together (injuries, chemistry, trades, etc.), and we'll just have to wait and see what happens as you said.

 

I disagree, the league isn't just stars, role players, and pine riders. Role players play a specific role. They are specialists in one or a few areas of the game and are the glue of a team. There are players in between role players and stars. These are the players that are on the cusp of becoming stars, but haven't quite achieved that elite status. For example, what about Brook Lopez? He's not a superstar but he's getting there, and you definitely couldn't classify him as a role player like say a Chris Anderson on the Nuggets.

 

If we aren't Championship caliber today, I have a strong feeling that we will be by trade deadline. With Morey locked and loaded, he will improve this team, and potentially by a lot.

 

Just not true, realistically, no one knows if we are or aren't.

And thankfully they play the season to find out who is and isn't.

Lots can happen between now and then.

Roll with it.

Don't puss out and give up already.....

DD

 

even if NY gets Anthony, in order for NY to make our picks crap, they will have to keep their stars on the floor in order to compete.

heavy minutes usually results in injury, and we all know amare has a hard time stayin healthy in the past.

 

We get their 2012 pick, and that's gold even if it's a late first rounder.

 

This stuff just breaks my heart.

Listen, I understand that CF is probably the biggest and best sports fan site in the world. And as such we probably have the brightest and most knowledgeable basketball fans. If we don't then we assuredly have the biggest and the best collection of them.

And I don't mind dissecting the team by the players' pros and cons.

But to start this season by stating we're not a contending team is mind boggling to me. There has been only a handful of seasons where I thought this and last year was one (and I've been around since Moses...makes me pretty old no matter how you look at it ).

I'm trying to keep my homerism down while posting this but to say we're not a contending team is like saying I'm NEVER going to get laid. You keep telling yourself that and you never WILL.

So, my dear fan, I sincerely hope the other side of your brain is saying we're taking it ALL, because ANYTHING can happen during the season. And sometimes things fall in our direction.

And just to reiterate damnit, WE ARE ROCKETS and WE ARE A TITLE CONTENDING TEAM.

You may now return to your previously realistically side of your mind.

 

Sorry... I had to do it.

Great post though... I agree. Pick 1 team you think will be the champion in every sport every year. How many times do you think you'll be right? 5% maybe?

We could surprise everyone, we could suck, we could end up 41-41. To fold up support before the season starts is just sad.

 

Hypothetically:

What would happen if Carmelo signed the extension with Denver to secure himself financially and then continued to demand a trade. If Denver didn't trade him and he purposely bricked shot after shot, could Denver take legal action or does the player have all the power?

 

I don't see anyone saying they aren't going to support the team or cheer them on just because they don't think the Rockets are favorites to be playing in the finals based on the team as it stands today.

It all comes down to what you consider a "contender" to be. Nationally, the teams like the Lakers and Heat that are considered preseason contenders (ie favorites) to make it to the finals, if not win it all, will consider it a disappointing year if they lose in the conference finals. And a total failure if they lose in the first or second round of the playoffs. Will it be a dissappointing year to you if the Rockets only make it to the confence finals? Should Adelman's job be in question for underperforming if they only make it to the 2nd round? Those are the expectations typical of a team considered a preseason contender. Being a contender going into the season does not guarantee a spot in the finals, and not being a preseason contender does not guarantee your team won't make it there. It just means, to me any way, that we are not favorites going into the season and if nothing changes for the better for the Rockets, the odds will not be in our favor.

That doesn't mean things couldn't change between now and the end of the season to make us contenders.

I don't really understand the "don't give up" comments though. Our preseason predictions have zero effect on what the team actually is going to do whether they are 100% positive or negative. In fact during the Chris Bosh recruitment period Morey himself said we are not good enough to compete for a championship without another star player. Which we have not as of yet aquired. Does that mean he isn't pro-Rockets or he is giving up on them? There is a difference in hoping for a world championship and expecting one. I think all of us hope the Rockets will turn into contenders this season, but some of us think that it is an unrealistic expectation based on the team as it stands today.

 

Ahahaha

 

Brook Lopez? He's a Franchise player. An All star this year gurenteed. A top 5 Center in the NBA.

You must not watch a lot of NBA basketball.

 

Here is the problem for the Rockets in trying to get in on trading the Knicks picks based on the assumption that the Knicks are going to get Anthony no matter what.

1) The reason we we would trade the picks is because they will be "worthless" after the Knicks get Anthony. If the knicks are going to get Anthony regardless then it makes sense that the Rockets would want to get as much value as they can for the picks.

The problem is, if they are "worthless" picks, then why would the Nuggets want them? There is no incentive for New York or the Nuggets to want to help us out here or to place any value on those picks in this scenario. Why would we get more value in trading them during the Anthony trade in comparison to after?

2) If for some unlikely reason the Rockets were the ONLY team who was willing and able to get in on this to make the Anthony to the knicks deal happen, then what is our incentive? If we don't do the deal, Anthony isn't a Knick and the picks retain their value.