[ESPN] New York Knicks Making Progress on Carmelo Anthony Trade

Are you trying to say "Though"?

Because I am not sure what toughness has to do with anything we are talking about.

And Yao will not get the first look, the offense takes what the defense gives them, if Yao is doubled or fronted, they will use that to their advantage, if Yao can establish good position, then heck yes he gets the ball.

DD

 

In the scenario you just described, Yao was the first option. They looked to him first. However, since he was double teamed, the Rockets ran the offense elsewhere.

 

Semantics are so much fun to argue over...aren't they?

DD

 

Not really. I find it depressing that I have to teach a grown man the concept of "first option".

 

Semantics..clap..clap...clap, clap, clap.......

No first option, just taking what the defense gives you....sorry you don't understand...

I guess the first option would be a dunk or layup......the team is designed to take the BEST option that the defense gives them....and that will change on a game to game basis....

Sometimes Yao, sometimes AB, sometimes, KMart, sometimes Scola..never Battier....

DD

 

It's possible that all this press is just to keep the dream alive for NYC. Basically, keep them pertinent in the acquisition of Melo where the they were pretty much written off by the media for not having enough assests to trade with Denver or, there's some serious bluffing going on here between the concerned parties.

If the trade with Denver were all but imminent, I say we just join the fray and get our NY swap and pick's worth.

If we don't, given the trade, i figure that the swap won't be worth much because it's not out of the realm of possibility that it'll land somewhere close to where we'd land anyway. Give or take a pick. I'm not familiar with the incoming draft picks but unless the scouts and management know something we don't, it'll probably mean peanuts for both parties concerned. There's also the off chance that we can swap the swap...but that's a whole different thread.

As for the 2012 pick, if we don't trade, it'll be either worth $$ to sell seeing as how we're stacked with young'uns already or it'll be a late 1st round draft pick. I guess we may be able to package our draft picks and trade up, but that gets risky if we're the ones asking to trade up.

So i say take a closer look at NY's assets, heck even Denver if that's what it takes (TEs and all), and just cherry pick what we can. It'll mean a more seasoned player/s that's a much better known quotient rather than another rookie. We do have a timeline afterall and we've acquired enough assets for the time being and need to start converting some of those assets.

I'm not envying RA's position now in trying to find PT for the entire team. Sooner or later, some of the more promising talents will want more PT with contracts up and not really find it in Houston (more assets again). I admire how DM's managed our team so far but at what point better than now to cash in some of those chips to get better sooner than later?

 

I'm not understanding how we could possibly end up with Randolph in any scenario. The article stated that he was part of the package to Denver, and that the Knicks had a path to get a 1st rounder through other means. Perhaps Denver wants a more reliable player then Randolph, but this article doesn't suggest so.

Also when considering our possiblities as a direct trading partner with Denver, yes they can get better assets from us, but I'm sure they'd rather send him to NY then within confernce if the deals are similar.

I would like to see Morey try and take advanatage of the fact that both Denver and NY have strong needs to do this deal. Other then Melo, I doubt that there is anyone available that Morey has strong interest in, so he would problaby need to bring in a 4th team to make a deal worth while. Given that though, I'm not sure anyone wants anything from the knicks, and does Denver want to trade anyone not named Melo?

 

Your kinda right but your more wrong. That is adlemans system...but getting yao is the first option of that. Most plays will start with a post/repost of yao and then as the defense breaks down they will go from there and as you said "take what the d gives you"

Otherwise what your sayings is that adleman has no set plays and just leaves it up to the team go grazy on the floor until something opens up.

They run plays. Then adlmens system directs them what do if that play fails. If you post pass to yao ming and he is fronted or double team...Yao Passes out to K mart with a cut to the corner. Thats adlemans system. Just a lil fyi.

 

This is what i was afraid of. The Nuggets really want Randolph in any deal.

 

Mega,

The read and react has an outline, but everyone is in on every play.

Oh, never mind....if you don't understand, you don't understand.

DD

 

execllent point!

 

Yeah, yeah, and the triangle offense is designed to space the court and create scoring opportunities for multiple positions. We all know how Jordan, and Shaq, and Kobe, have played in that system.

For that matter, we know how Clyde and CWebb and Yao have played in Adelman's system. It doesn't preclude a #1.

 

Bro ... I watch you post all the time, and it isobvious that all you do is read and watch basketball. Anyone that has played basketball on any level and is half way educated can tell you 2 things.

1. Adlesmans "read and react system" comes into play in transition plays and and as a secondary method to when the first option or "called play" fails.
(When brooks brings the ball down. He immediateally calls a play and goes to work setting up the play...either the play works OR you read the break down of the defense and then react accordingly by exploiting what they give you) That is undeniablly how adlemans system works. I have actually studied his system and tried using it in tournament play.

2. Carmelo Anthony is a player you do whatever it takes to accquire because of the offensive options he gives you. You cant see that by looking a FG% or rebounds...but when you see the skills he has in action you know how that exploits other teams and opens up the game for everyone else.

 

There's a difference between improving talent level and making your teammates better.

You ever heard the phrase "better than the sum of the parts"? Same idea.

 

While I see where your coming from, I interpret what many are saying differently. I dont think most are saying those 2 didnt make their team better, their saying those 2 wont propel their teams to the finals.

 

Can't be right all the time DD. The Rocket's have said countless times that they are going to run the offense through Yao. Old school inside/out basketball. They look to Yao first, i.e. "first option', and if it's not there or he does get passed the ball but a double comes, then he's there to kick it out to our extremely efficient perimeter players. It's the whole reason we acquired Kevin Martin. Morey wanted the most efficient shooter he could get for the price to make teams pay for doubling Yao. Maybe we are arguing semantics to a certain degree, but I believe it's more accurate to say that Yao is the "first option" but if it's not there, then we "take what the defense gives us" instead

 

yup agreed with people who say Carmelo + Amare + Scrubs still equals a top 6 to 8 team in the east.. Our picks become crap if that happens.

 

If this trade goes down we look like morons while while the wheelchair bound Walsh looks like a genius.

Our picks will be worthless and hopefully the Knicks don't have a better record than us this year or then it will be outright awful.

 

Why would our picks be worthless? True, they would become less valuable, but the last time I checked we got AB and Carl Landry with late first round/early second round picks. Morey will get good value out of those picks no matter how well the Knicks play this year