Why would any team way under the cap, just to get Shammond Williams or a draft pick, essentially disregard all the fans, give up on all decent young FA's to help your team win now and in the future, and get Horace Grant in the very summer that they had planned to rebuild their team with top quality young FA's? And by the way, next year's free agent crop is much weaker than this year's. Why would anyone do that? ------------------ Member of the pro-Collier/Langhi movement. IN RUDY WE TRUST!!
- Patterson is a free agent and Seattle doesn't have Bird rights (or early Bird for that matter) on him, so that pretty much eliminates him from a sign and trade. No, Patterson is not a free agent. - Again, no team under the cap is going to take Grant's salary so you have to trade him to a team over the cap and take back 85% of his salary. So, you free up $885K. You're now ~$900K under the cap. Like I said in another post, a team can use Grant as a vehicle to clear cap in 2001. A team like us could use or trade exception deal Rogers to Seattle for Grant and a draft pick to help give us more money in 2001. If Lewis signs a 3 year offer sheet with another team, it might be worth doing. - Now let's trade Shammond Williams to a team under the cap and only take back draft picks. You've now freed up another $500K. Seattle is now $1.4M under the cap. Williams would be a deal sweetener. - Now, let's also trade Maxwell to a team under the cap. Now you've freed up another $1.4M, so Seattle is now $2.8M under the cap and you still can't match any offers for Lewis. Care to try for the hat trick? Look, I am right. Seattle can cut cap but at a huge expense. [/B][/QUOTE] ------------------
we've already gone over why Indiana won't take an overpriced big man, or a team under the cap. Now, you're pointing to Houston, and their exception which leads for this large question to be answered-Why in the world would HOUSTON help Seattle lock up Rashard Lewis? I in fact, would like a trade of scrubs (Rogers etc.) and exception for Grant, but Seattle will have one ride attempting to get under the cap, and the reason we'd do it, would probably be to set up for a run at Rashard. Of other note, that was an interesting idea of Seattle offering up the exception. For a guy like Jahidi White, unfortunately, he's restricted. aelliott-I'm wondering if say no one offers a 2 year contract, and keeps the offer sheets at 1 year contracts (the exception), Mobley would be paid 2.3 mill. Would we be able to give him Early Bird instead (with both sides consent)? ------------------ The more lefties on your team, the better. Collier is Seven Foot and Left Handed. How can you go wrong? Trade or bench Kenny Thomas.
Sorry RT, wrong again. Patterson is a free agent this year. I want to see you deny this. http://www.sportstalk.com/nba/stuff/salaries/salaries_1-14-00.shtml ------------------ Member of the pro-Collier/Langhi movement. IN RUDY WE TRUST!!
I'm still waiting for my response on how he plans to use McKey/exception in a straight up S/T for Baker, since McKey makes more than the amount Baker can be given (half his 100% value). ------------------ The more lefties on your team, the better. Collier is Seven Foot and Left Handed. How can you go wrong? Trade or bench Kenny Thomas.
I like this thread. Seattle would have to tuck several nice draft picks behind Baker's ears to get other teams to even look. Even then, they would likely keep walking and say no. So, Baker = McKey + draft pick + trade exception is not plausible. Baker + 1st + 1st = Mckey + trade exception still might not work. The best that Seattle can make out of the Baker mess is a contract buyout. Seattle thought they came out ahead by moving Kemp for Baker. Mango ps RT45, How will Madsen do for the Lakers? ------------------ 1. Put new topics in the proper forum 2. Use clear wording for new threads 3. No duplicate threads 4. Conduct yourself like an adult The Serious Police are watching Donate Blood! All will be assimilated. [This message has been edited by Mango (edited July 07, 2000).]
No, Patterson is not a free agent. NBAtalk.com is a joke. Patterson signed a 3 year deal last summer with Seattle and can opt out in 2001 if he so pleases. ------------------
If another team signs Lewis to a 3 year offer sheet, we might as well help our self at Seattle's expense. ------------------
Two things RT45: -even if the sonics can free up some cap space(I think aelliot and NIKEstrad have allready proven that it is very difficult)as you said they would turn into a lottery team so why would rashard stay there when he can go to chicago,toronto or some other team for near the max and better future?I dont think there's a way for seattle to clear that much. -The second thing is,who do you think is a more reliable source,lewis brother or an invitee to the sonics camp?Remember that in most cases free agents try NOT to burn bridges with teammates,managment,etc by saying their leaving before they are sure they are so they deny things.Suppose that lewis does sign with the sonics for one year and allthough his plans may be known it is better for him to have good relations with his teammates so he has a good year and can request more money next year in the FA market. ------------------ "Dont ever understimate the heart of a champion" Rudy T,1995
Wrong again. Like Nikestrad said earlier, contracts like McKey's usually increase in value each year. So next year, his worth would be around 5.3- 5.5 million. That's not within 15% buddy. Do the math. ------------------ Member of the pro-Collier/Langhi movement. IN RUDY WE TRUST!!
Patricia Bender's page does say that Patterson signed a new contract on 8/10/99 and it expires in '02. No mention of the option. ------------------
This is interesting,I dont smell a hat trick but instead I'm looking at the 3rd strike. ------------------ "Dont ever understimate the heart of a champion" Rudy T,1995
McKey's salary in 2001 - $5,200,000 115% + $100,000 of Baker's BYC trade value - $5,275,000 Next time do the math yourself. ------------------
Just curious here, where did you find out McKey's 2001 salary? I'd like to find that kind of stuff out on a few players but havent been able to. ------------------ Member of the pro-Collier/Langhi movement. IN RUDY WE TRUST!!
Whats the point of arguing so mucH? this is all in theory its just one situation. im sorry to say no matter how the math comes out seattle isnt gonna sucker some fool into taking grant and baker. and if they do lewis wont wanna stay long to a losing team. i have to go with cat i think he signs a one year deal. not sure if he comes to houston but i dont think he will sign for a multi year contract. ------------------ --TEX
I'd offer, but this is a weak sequel to the HeyPee/SkyPee war of a few weeks ago. This almost sounds like a debate. How lame is that? I want name-calling. ------------------ Just shut up and post
http://members.home.net/victony/index.htm The guy who runs this site posts on RSBP with Patricia Bender, Larry Coon, etc. Most of his numbers have come from the Charlotte Observer's salary leak. ------------------
No, Patterson is not a free agent. Ok, let's say he's not, he made $900K last year, so now you're at $3.7 in cap space, still not enough to match any sizeable offers for Lewis. Like I said in another post, a team can use Grant as a vehicle to clear cap in 2001 Ok, but that wouldn't be of any interest to teams that are currently under the cap, they're trying to sign free agents now. It could be attractive to teams currently over the cap, but that doesn't change the fact that trading Grant to a team over the cap only frees up $885K. Williams would be a deal sweetener. Again...Ok, but he still only frees up $500K You're still sitting at $3.7M under the cap and you've traded away Grant,Patterson,Williams and Maxwell. To save time let's throw in everybody else under contract except Payton. -Borrell $300K, we're now $4M under the cap. -E-Mail $500K, we're now $4.5M under the cap -Stepani $700K, we're now $5.2M under the cap. - Foster $1.6M BYC player. Seattle can only get $800K back. That means they have to trade him to a team with cap room and they can free up $800K. We're now 6M under the cap. - Barry - $3.9M. No team under the cap is going to take him, so you'll end up getting $85% of his salary in return. This frees up $585K. We're now $6.6M under the cap. -Your draft picks are also counting against the cap, so now you'll need to renounce or trade away Desmond Mason and Olumide Oyedeji. They weren't counting on last year's cap, so now the only player under contract is Gary Payton and we're $6.6M under the cap. Even if Seattle was able to dump all of this salary (and that's debatable), Chicago can still easily outbid Seattle for Lewis. In fact, it wouldn't take much salary dumping (~$1.2M) for Toronto to be able to outbid Seattle. Disregarding the fact that Seattle can't possibly hope to match Chicago or possibly Toronto, what you're arguing is that Rashard Lewis really believes that Seattle would do all that to match an offer for him and that if they did he'd still want to play there? Sorry, that's a stretch. ------------------ [This message has been edited by aelliott (edited July 07, 2000).]
Am I reading that table right? After next season, Houston's cap number drops to 22.76 million? Is that accurate? Oops, didn't notice that Mobley's slot was blank. ------------------ [This message has been edited by grummett (edited July 07, 2000).]
