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[fanhouse.com] Adelman ignores Morey's scouting report

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Carl Herrera, Oct 11, 2010.

  1. Carl Herrera

    Carl Herrera Member

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    http://nba.fanhouse.com/2010/10/11/the-works-lebrons-elbow-revisited-cousins-unfiltered-rockets/
     
  2. Xsatyr

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    Sounds like they have no idea what they are talking about. Ariza only had the green light til Martin was traded to us.
     
  3. KingStevo10

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    Didn't Rick have dinner with Ariza to convince him to sign with us?
     
  4. makman

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    Hard to say really but I don't believe it. I'd like to think there's mutual respect there; it's a well assembled roster that is for the most part well coached.
     
  5. BrooksBall

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    I'm dumb somtimes. What is he suggesting with the "elaborate experiment" thing? I wasn't able to connect the dots.
     
  6. dachuda86

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    didn't Adelman have lunch with Ariza and pull him in himself?
     
  7. Mr. Clutch

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    Well...it did take a trade of Rafer to get him to start Brooks. Just sayin'
     
  8. Deckard

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    What does Coach Adelman's barber have to do with anything? Besides, I bet he sees a hair stylist!
     
  9. Don FakeFan

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    but Morey did trade Adelman's starting PG without consulting him.
     
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    Shoals is better at writing than at covering the NBA. Ziller's good when he writes about the King. If you read his articles he obviously doesn't follow other teams as closely or enough.
     
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    lol we all know shane is the messenger between DM & the team. especially the scouting reports.
     
  12. Carl Herrera

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    Would not be suprising, actually, if this is true. And it doesn't mean the coach and GM don't get along.

    Morey and the video/analytics staff may have very detailed info on every situation, but Adelman has to decide how much of it to share with the players and try to implement.

    With Battier and Hayes, sure you give them as much as you can. But what about Ron Artest? Why even bother? Von Wafer? Don't words and numbers just confuse him?
     
  13. Angkor Wat

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    any time its something the fans don't want to hear, its false. not saying its true but whenever its a "behind-the-scenes" story about a player, this site eats it up.
     
  14. Old Man Rock

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    Okay maybe this is BS but just the other day Adelman told the Media that he played Yao all 12 minutes in the first half because he thought that would give him and the team a better flow. But he was told he is not allowed to play Yao his 12 minutes all in the first half. He sounded a bit annoyed to say the least. Morey quickly came back and said to the Media that is the doctors request and they are just following what the doctors say. Oops communicating through the media not a good sign. Still I hear Morey acknowledge they have a good coach.

    My personal opinion is scouting reports can be helpful but Adelman's case maybe for the defense but his free flowing offense does not lend itself to thinking so much as feeling and reacting. Also my gut thinks Moreys reports probably contain so much detail that they are overwhelming info to absorb for most players not named Battier. Again my opinion but you can't ask most NBA players too much to absorb each game they'll just get confused. Keep it simple and repetitive and you will see a team learn quicker. Look at how long Adelman has been here and it is only now his team is running the offense close to what Adelman wants.

    Anyway interesting read. Whether it is true or not is another story.
     
  15. the_hustler

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    read my signature. that phenomenon is not specific to CF alone. so dont blame the board :)
     
  16. TdashDUB

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    I could be wrong,
    but what I got from it is getting a clearer picture as to if RA is implementing DM's scouts correctly if not at all..

    Whether that meant he purposely scouted for TA to bare a scoring load and RA listened or DM would have rather TA fall back more or so into his role playing position on the team and RA remained consistent in giving Ariza the green light is up in the air from where I'm standing... but I'm assuming the latter
     
  17. roslolian

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    Well considering when he had his way RA played Yao 40+ mins even in blowouts I'm glad DM implemented a strict time schedule. Personally, I think RA just doesn't to be bothered with the minutia regarding changing players on the fly so he'd prefer to have guys play huge chunks of PT to keep rotations simple.

    In general though, I think its a good thing that the coach and the GM butt heads and stand on opposite sides from time to time. It'd be bad if either the GM or the coach becomes a Yes Man of the other, it leads into groupthink incidents that bring the team down, rudy's T's fascination with Cato and JVG's love for his ex knicks being proof of that.
     
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    Find one, just one article, where Shoals or Ziller have broken a story not involving the Kings. There is none, it's not what they do or write about.
     
  19. durvasa

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    How involved is Adelman in pregame strategizing? I think he's more of an in-game manager, and more responsibilities are given to the assistant coaches in actually coming up with a game plan before the game. And I'm sure they take in input from the Rockets scouting and analytics departments.
     
  20. melvimbe

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    I imagine there is some truth to this, but not entirely true. For example, if Morey's scouting report states that a team has a weak interior defense, or player A is prone to fouling, Adelman really doesn't care to change up his game plan to take advantage of those facts. In many ways, that's good. It's better to do what you do best and not worry about those details.

    I personally don't think Morey is that concerned about it. In most cases, it won't really make much difference. For one thing, Adelman is a players coach, and all though he has his offense, it tries to use his players best abilities, which is what Morey would want.

    That said, I don't get how Ariza was an experiment in coach/GM interaction.
     

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