no offense, but aikman's just a really bad comparison, imo. aikman couldn't, even if his life depended on it, improvise. carr can, and he will. right now, though, they've got him on a pretty short leash -- they don't want him taking chances, throwing INTs and/or taking a big hit outside the comfort of his pocket. they're also messing with his mechanics, etc., etc. i saw and read quite abit about carr last year -- favre was the name most commonly mentioned. carr is very athletic. what's in the hell does VT have to do with anything?
david carr is cool! my wife put up a texans poster in my two year old son's room yesterday...it has david carr on it, among others...when i got home yesterday my son met me at the door screaming, "daddy..daddy...come here..come here" he grabbed me by the hand and led me to his room...he pointed up at it, smiled and said, "david.....carr." (though sometimes he calls david carr, dave matthews --- too many davids to keep up with!) then he looked up at me puzzled and said, "where's toro??" of course, when i took him to the preseason game against tampa bay he asked where the choo-choo was...i guess he thought there was a train in EVERY stadium, just like Minute Maid Park! (i realize this is mildly off topic, but i have to share these things from time to time because i think my kid is so cool!)
That's awesome, Max. When playing the "What sound does a cow make?" "Moo." game the other day, one of my little cousins responded to the question "What sound does a goose make?" with a resounding "AFLAC." I almost threw up I was laughing so hard.
Elway was very mobile. Hell, didn't he lead the Broncos in rushing a couple of years? He was fun to watch and he played with some really crappy teams. Still the prototype, imo. I'm not sure Brett Favre in his prime's arm was as strong as Elway's. He really had a cannon. He threw someone out from the warning track to 3rd base at Disch Falk.
Elways was a mobile QB; his stats were likely hampered by Reeves' unwillingness to let him run loose. However, Vick is probably more athletic than he is and quite possibly the most athletic QB in NFL history. Reeves isn't going to make the same mistake twice, if the reworking of the playbook and last week's game are any indications. I don't doubt that Carr's arm strength may be stronger than Vick's; I believe Refman showed a comparison to Carr being on a level with Elway in that regard, and I showed Dan Reeves' comparison to Vick being just below that same level. But, his ability to move around and turn any loss into a positive gives the edge to Vick, at least in my book.
hilarious!! kids are amazing!! occasionally my son will break out with...."daddy...ready for some football??!!" he tries to sing it like they do on MNF!
Carr's arm stronger than Vick's arm? Come on man didn't you see that Power Aid commercail when Vick threw the ball out of the stadium. You can't really compare the two at this stage in their career. The one thing that I like about Carr is that he has a nice head on his shoulders to go along with all that talent. As for Vick, you can't compare him to anyone else because he is simply the most talented and athletic QB every to come out of college. The Cunningham comparasons are simmilar but I would rather call Cunnigham a poor man's Vick than Vick the next Cunningham.
Interesting question but I'd have to go with Vick. He can throw as well or better than Carr and his legs add a new dimension to the QB position. If Vick had stayed in school, the Texans would undoubtedly have taken him over Carr. Physically, David Carr will never be Michael Vick so his only chance to win this battle is with wins.
Says who? Please don't post this crap, like you do with Yao Ming, if you don't have anything to back it up. It's not all about physical talent. One of the reasons the Texans were so high on Carr are his mental attributes. He's a very, very smart quarterback who can grasp an offense extremely well and be a verbal leader on the field. All I've ever read or seen from Vick is his superior physical attributes. I'm not saying that his leadership or intelligence are bad, but they obviously aren't standout like they are for David Carr. I'll take the QB with a great arm, better than average mobility, and tremendous leadership and smarts over the QB with a great arm, great mobility, and average leadership and smarts.
I have a feeling if Carr was a Falcon and Vick was a Texan it would be the opposite. IMO if you take Carr and Vick off of their respective teams, the Texans have more talent than the Falcons. Wins don't always determine if a QB is better than another one.
I have a feeling that if Vick weren't from Virginia Tech it would be the opposite. Don't bother with any emphatic denial... there's just as much proof for you as there is for me. None. Offensively, there's no question the Falcons have a lot more talent. Just a week ago, you were telling me in chat how much Corey Bradford sucked... of course I disagree, but he and Jabar Gaffney, a rookie, are not that much better, if at all, than Willie Jackson and Shawn Jefferson. And, Atlanta actually has a running game. Warrick Dunn is one of the more underrated players in the league... his speed, and his ability to catch the ball out of the backfield make him a very good weapon in a speed offense. TJ Duckett is a very nice rookie too... the pair of them is significantly greater than James Allen and Jonathan Wells. The Texans offensive line may be better when healthy, but Boselli and Young are still out for a while, and as long as they are ATL has the edge in that area too.
I have nothing at all bad to say about David Carr. The guy's a great QB and I'm behind him 100%. With that said, if the Texans hadn't selected him first and billed him as they have, no one on this board would have much interest in him or have much to say about the guy. On the other hand, Michael Vick was touted from every analyst coast to coast as "The Future". Carr's a great QB but his athletic and marketing ability are less than Vick's. If Vick stayed in school then he would have been our guy, no question. Also, I'm quite sure Vick has a stronger arm than Carr. I've read that Vick can throw about 75-80 yards while Carr can throw between 70-75. And I don't know how Vick can't be considered a leader or winner when he took a previously 9-3 Virgina Tech team to the National Championship game, as a freshman!
Not everyone in the national championship game, especially those in weak conferences, is a leader. I'll be willing to bet anything that if UT is in the national championship game this year and loses, people will be all over Chris Simms for losing a big game and not giving him credit for the "leadership" to get them there. Also, of course Vick is going to be "touted" more by analysts... he played on a national championship contender. Carr played for Fresno St. What do you expect? Carr put up great numbers, but people rarely ever got to see him play. There's a lot of question about it. You don't have one solid quote from the Texans to suggest they prefer Vick to Carr, so there are questions until you hear them say that. Who cares what his "marketing ability" is? This is football, not basketball or baseball. Fans are going to come to the games for the first three years anyway. Football teams are not thinking "who is marketable" when they draft. Also, hopefully the Texans value maturity and intelligence at the QB position over "street baller" athletics. It seems like now that every quarterback who has mobility is regarded as some great NFL prospect, when in reality you can't go anywhere without the maturity and intellect to make decisions. See Akili Smith. It's not that Vick is anywhere near Akili Smith, but it's worth mentioning. I have not seen anything yet from Michael Vick, in either college or the pros, to distinguish him as a great decision-maker as a quarterback. It's not that he can't be, but I've seen much, much less from him than I have from Carr. I've never read that Vick could throw 80 yards, so I'd like to see some documentation on that too.
Not everyone in the national championship game, especially those in weak conferences, is a leader. Damn, that vaunted WAC conference, so much talent, so many national powers. Every QB that wins in that conference must have leadership abilities. I'm not saying he doesn't. Its just funny that the Big East is probably better in talent. Offensively, there's no question the Falcons have a lot more talent. Just a week ago, you were telling me in chat how much Corey Bradford sucked... of course I disagree Corey Bradford still isn't good or proven yet. But wins aren't always won by offense alone....
Arm strength isnt necessarily measured by how far you can throw the ball. How often is Vick going to throw an 80 yard bomb? When considering a QB's arm strength, the most important aspect is how hard he throws. Carr may not be able to throw as deep as Vick, but Carr can no doubt throw harder than Vick. I would take Carr's arm as a QB over Vick's any day of the week.
Well, I'm not judging Carr's leadership from his college days. From the opening day of camp, the coaches have raved about Carr's on-field leadership and his understanding of the offense. Perhaps the ATL coaches are saying this about Vick too, but if they are, I've missed it.
