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Rox first, second and third offensive options

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Seth, Sep 11, 2010.

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  1. meh

    meh Member

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    Why go so far back? Carl Landry is the perfect example of a player who doesn't play 35+ minutes and still is the focal point of the offense when he's on the floor.

    Half court sets will run through Yao a lot when he's in the game. I can't see Adelman do anything else.
     
  2. Dave_78

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    This has been my position for a while. Of course, the next question is what good is he if he isn't scoring a ton considering he is below average in every other facet of the game?

    I think this is a real problem that will be worked out by the trade deadline.
     
  3. leebigez

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    CH, thats pretty much what I'm saying. Yao will avg 9 fga per game. Now fga and touches are a different thing. He will get his points in the flow and in pick and pop situations more so than on the blocks like in the past. Yao at this stage isnt a good enough player to trash your offense to suit him. Now coaches will do it for great players,but not for fresh off injury good players playing limited minutes.Adelman got a glompse of what can happen with baseline open and everyone touching the ball and moving. Later in the season if he's holding up,they might use him nore, but early on, he's going to be the one adjusting, not the other guys.
     
  4. Dave_78

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    And this is contradicted by the fact that every team's superstar is the least open yet takes the most shots anyway every night.
     
  5. nolimitnp

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    Whoever is hot, whoever is open hopefully. Read and react. I don't want a team where X player needs to take Y shots to be successful. I think AB said it best when he pointed out the team now has an efficient post-presence to turn to with Yao Ming. Every team goes through those tough 5-6 minute stretches where the basket seems to get smaller than the ball. Its good to have Yao to eliminate those droughts. God I'm glad he is back. :grin: :grin: :grin:
     
  6. EffTheJazz!!!

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    Your Sig says Morey has never been wrong, ironically, Morey has said that he's looking forward to having Yao back as our number one option when we bring the ball up the court in the half court set.
     
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  7. seaweed

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    It depends on the match up. Yao was the first option the season before simply because he could beat most opponent Cs in this league single handedly, thus force double/triple team and create open shots for his teamates. Tmac was the first option when he was healthy because of the same reason. So why not continue this next season? If Yao fully recovers, that means he could regularly draw double team, he would still be the first option when game goes tough. Otherwise it'll really depends on who have the most advantage over his opponents in a paticular game and there would be no clear first option.
     
  8. leebigez

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    Dave 78, just because you have been saying it awhile doesnt make it right. I think brooks will avg 14 fga per game.
     
  9. wekko368

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    14 FGA seems kind of high, especially since he shot 16 FGA last year.

    Are you factoring in Miller/Lee/Yao's touches? What about the fact that Brooks won't play SG anymore? What about the decrease in pace that results from Yao being on the floor?
     
  10. Dave_78

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    no kidding?

    Only if Yao is out with injury for at least half the season.
     
  11. alethios

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    Earl Campbell didn't forget...
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  12. amaru

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    Fixed ;)
     
  13. leebigez

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    Lee and miller wont take away from his attempts. Ariza and his 15 fga will be replaced by yao and dispersed again. Shane can only shhot when he can read the spaulding so he will only get 6 shots or so. The key is 82 fga which where the rockets want to be. Mark my words, the pace is not going to be like it was in the past. It will be closer to last yr than any other yr even with yao back.
     
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    It's not about who's adjusting to who. The problem with Yao in the past was that they tried too hard to force feed him when the defense was obviously focusing on denying him the ball.

    A smarter way of using Yao as a lethal weapon is to move the offense around so that it's easier for Yao to get the ball and operate on his terms. This is why it is kind of pointless to say who is the "first" option of Adelman's offense. The whole philosophy is not to have only one thing so that the opposing defense can focus on. Take what the defense gives you.
     
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    I completely disagree. This team will be a one and done team if everyone isn't learning to adjust to Yao back in the middle from the get go. I think we'll be somewhat slow the first 20 or so games as that adjustment is made. Even if he isn't the 20 and 10 guy of the past, he will still need to be the centerpoint of the offense. Just his presence and size gives us a huge advantage.

    Now defensively he will be learning to adjust, but as long as Deke has drilled into his head the fact he is freakin' 7'6" and should NEVER attempt to take a charge, he'll be fine once he is in shape.
     
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    Then can you explain why Drexler and Webber consistently averaged the most FGA on their team when Adelman coached them?
     
  17. leebigez

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    nolimitnp, Havent we tried that before when he was healthy and in his prime? How many 1 and done did we have? Thats kinda the point. He is incapable, especially now of being the focus of the offense. It takes too long, it kills the shot clock,and when teams frontimg or 3/4 shade, the offense has been dead to rights. i'm not saying he's going to be limited to chuck hayes status, but i think he will be used in ball reversal,screens,pick and pop at the elbow and off the blocks and some postups.

    Dave78, we can sig bet for 2 months that yao will avg 9 fga and brooks will avg 14. Thats my feelings, we can bet that.
     
  18. cyntil8ing

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    Yao getting back in rhythm:

    Martin, Scola, Brooks

    Yao back:

    Yao, Martin, Scola

    I think Brooks will play more traditional PG this season given everyone remains healthy. He was asked to take a freak amount of shots because of last years injured or transitioning players. He'll still get his, but won't be relied upon as heavily as last season.

    There's no reason he would be shooting as much if our rotation remains healthy.

    I'm hoping to see his distribution skills and defense progress this season.
     
  19. Carl Herrera

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    Actually, Yao averaged 14.3 and 15 FGA per 36 minutes, or approximately 9.8-10 FGA per 24 minutes during his last 2 seasons. So 9 FGA if he plays 24 mpg isn't going to mean his FGAs, or even touches, are reduced significantly from prior years.

    A better measure of whether his offense changed would be to look at FGA/min, his FTA/min, his TOs/min, as well as the % of his FGs being assisted ones.
     
  20. wnes

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    A "dead to rights" offense with Yao in 2009 season is still rated better (14th of 30) than your much enjoyable offense this past season where the Rockets are rated 16th of 30.

    Sig bet ain't worth ****. More honorable thing would be like shut up and retire from this board.
     
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