American pastor Terry Jones vows to hold national Koran burning event

So to prove that Hitler was not a devout Christian (which is obvious, because no one here would believe someone who committed genocide is religious), you post his admiration of a few qualities of Islam (which actually do nothing to refute the supposed "repeated claims that he was a devout Christian").

It's no wonder you're the new laughing stock of this section.

 

According to your logic, if he considered himself a Christian or called himself a Christian, he was a Christian. That's the logic you use in calling terrorists Muslims even when 99% of the Muslims in the world say the terrorists' actions are not consistent with Islam.

 

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/2010/09/07/intv.imam.koran.burning.reax.cnn?hpt=C2

A very good response by an Imam in New York to the Quran burning event.

 

You just self-pwned yourself so badly it's almost funny.

 

It's certainly his right. I don't see the problem. Sure, it may be a dick move since it might incite violence against US troops but the armed forces are there to protect the rights of the citizenry.

 

ATW, I know you didn't bring Hitler up, but let's leave all that hyperbole aside for a moment, as he is not alive and did not suggest burning a pile of Qurans.

What do you think about pastor Terry Jones and his proposed actions? How do you think this affects or does not affect most Christians? What kind of statements should Christians make to the Islamic world in response to such a hateful act, assuming it does transpire.

As a Christian, I am really pissed about it, myself. And if I could take a bold step, I think Christ himself would be mightily disappointed that such an insipid event could possibly have his name associated with it.

I have seen muslims burn the American flag, and I have seen them burn effigies of our leaders, but I have not seen anyone burn a pile of Bibles. I have a visceral reaction to that idea, even beyond the flag. Burning the flag says they don't like what America is doing. Burning the Bible attacks some core principles of how I was raised and how I view the world.

I can only imagine how it would make me feel as a Muslim to watch a pile of holy books burning in Florida. Yes, I would know it was a braindead, blowhard piece of trash from a nothing region of one country... but just imagine how that would feel for a moment.

 

Incorrect. He did not commit his terrible acts "in the name of Christianity", in contrast to the Muslims who base their actions directly on religious motives.

 

Feel free to explain, but do it well, otherwise just remain silent.

 

I think he is an idiot (as I have posted a couple of times). I think he should best be ignored.

 

Maybe you should go on the front lines and protect this clown's rights...

 

So, do you think muslims should in general ignore the idiots at their fringes? Or should they speak out about it, as many have done, to encourage dialogue and understanding?

 

So apparently you missed this post:

I'll add this Hitler quote:

"National Socialism neither opposes the Church nor is it anti-religious, but on the contrary, it stands on the ground of a real Christianity."


Combining these statements, Hitler said his actions as a leader of the National Socialism party stood on the ground of real Christianity and his actions against the Jews were the work of the Lord.

So now what ridiculous leaps of (il)logic will you make to further defend your simultaneous condemnation of Islam and defense of every other religion that has followers who commit the same atrocities?

 

I kind of liked this guy's blog and his semiotic take.

"The great irony is that burning sacred texts is not anti-American; it's wholly American.

The freedom to symbolically destroy another symbol is, in part, what makes America itself a symbol worth attacking."

 

Your quotes are as relevant as the one I quoted. They are obviously contradictory at first sight. The truth is that he was crazy and just looking for any justification for his actions. Now you will say, and I understand your point, that the same holds true for Islamic terrorists, that they basically hijack the religion, but do not represent it. To that extent, I agree with you. The difference is in how much of a predominant factor the religion is in the mind of the crazy person - a matter of degree.

 

You are really stretching this here, by claiming that religion may be at play in both instances but it since you believe one group of crazy people rely more on it, then it doesn't really count in the other case.

 

Hitler said Jesus was weak and couldn't believe he was the figure behind a major religion. He believed Communism was the product of Christianity. He invoked Christianity because it was expedient to do so...but by the time this man took power of Germany, he had abandoned any sense of what we'd call faith or devotion to anything but the State. In fact, he was openly hostile to Christianity.

"National Socialism and religion cannot exist together....
"The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity....
"Let it not be said that Christianity brought man the life of the soul, for that evolution was in the natural order of things."

"Christianity is a rebellion against natural law, a protest against nature. Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the systematic cultivation of the human failure."

"The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death.... When understanding of the universe has become widespread... Christian doctrine will be convicted of absurdity....
"Christianity has reached the peak of absurdity.... And that's why someday its structure will collapse....
"...the only way to get rid of Christianity is to allow it to die little by little....
"Christianity <is> the liar....
"We'll see to it that the Churches cannot spread abroad teachings in conflict with the interests of the State."

"The reason why the ancient world was so pure, light and serene was that it knew nothing of the two great scourges: the pox and Christianity."

you can find these quotes all over the internet..including here:

http://www.answers.org/apologetics/hitquote.html

http://mattbrundage.com/publications/hitler-and-christianity/



The following is a Hitler Youth Marching song (has a beat...you can dance to it):


"We follow not Christ, but Horst Wessel,
Away with incense and Holy Water,
The Church can go hang for all we care,
The Swastika brings salvation on Earth."

http://www.bede.org.uk/hitler.htm

 

Feel free to read your post and think for a bit about how you view a certain group of people. But do it well, otherwise you'll just continue to look like a dishonest fool.

 

Agreed.

 

Are you surprised? This is the same person who says not drawing a cartoon would be a limitation of his freedom of speech, but thinks lying about the holocaust should be illegal. Consistency of logic is not remotely his strength.