Someone PLEASE explain why you all LOVE Rashard Lewis.

has'nt mcgrady been in the league longer?

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johnny "red" kerr:i'm glad the bulls did'nt draft steve francis.

dan roan: why!!!!!

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Let's see. Rashard Lewis is an athletic 7 footer with all the potential in the world. He can play several positions, can stroke the jump shots, and is a great hustler. He can play from the inside and out, rebound, and has the kind of frame that can match up with guys like Kevin Garnett. He also, from what I have heard, is a very determined basketball player who wants to get better and has the right attitude/intangibles.

You cannot expect a high school star to develop in 2 years, especially if he doesn't get the minutes. So saying he's had time is not justified. Remember Austin Croshere? One year ago he had completed his 2nd year in the NBA, as had Lewis this season. And people were calling Croshere a tremendous bust. They said he sucked, and couldn't do anything. And I seriously doubt after watching Croshere play 1 minute combined in all of the 99 playoffs that you thought Croshere would be like he is now after his 3rd season. So who's do say Lewis won't do the same or better? After two seasons, he is already ahead of where Croshere was at, and is also more physically gifted.

Also, you didn't give any solid reasoning why you don't like Lewis. You just said you "weren't impressed". What didn't you like about him? Support your evidence. Maybe you'll be right. But you have to see why we like Lewis so much. Physically and mentally, this guy has a lot of basketball skills that would be great on the Rockets.

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If he has a great year, then yes we can still afford him I believe because we would be under enough to make a run at Webber and others commanding the maximum. If he has a poor year, which I don't think he will have, I think we'd still want him. He's too much of a physical talent. Most likely we won't be great, but will be a lot better than poor. I think he'll be a good player next year, and one that would come here for around 5-6 million a year.

You may not have been impressed with him, but I doubt you've seen him more than just a few times. You told us if you'll remember we based him too much on that 5 game series when he was great. But I doubt you're basing him on a lot of games either. That's just the way young kids coming out of high school are. Sometimes in their first couple of years they'll be great (like the playoffs), and other times they'll be not so impressive (whenever you saw him). But he is just learning the NBA game. There really hasn't been a high schooler who has come into the league and ripped things up his first year or two. Sometimes these guys look absolutely terrible. But they are just learning the game, and I also find it encouraging that his best basketball came at the end of the year, which tells me he is learning and finally making that leap into being a big time NBA player. Based on the flashes of potential I have seen from Lewis this year and his mentality towards the game, I think he has a bright future, and one that I hope involves Houston.

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Member of the pro-Collier/Langhi movement. IN RUDY WE TRUST!!

 

Cat-Hopefully one that doesn't involve burning Houston

I personally don't think Lewis will ask for (well maybe courtesy ask) or demand for the max. I see him as a 5-7 million type of player, that's well worth it.

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The more lefties on your team, the better.
Collier is Seven Foot and Left Handed. How can you go wrong?
Trade or bench Kenny Thomas.

 

I think Rashard would make a nice fit in Houston but he probably won't be able to come here. I'm not obsessed with the Rocks getting him and if they don't I will not care.

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They'll have that opportunity next offseason. A great opportunity. He is someone I would definitely care if we didn't get.

I'm sure Rudy will say that to Lewis. Do you honestly think Rudy would pass up on a coveted FA who likes Houston? Free agency isn't even a week old yet. Rudy loves Lewis, and not everyone is contacted right off the bat. He wanted to take Lewis on draft night. Why didn't he? Mircad Turkcan's came in and had a workout that completely blew away the Rockets. If a player came in and did that, you might want to draft him too. If you think Rudy will not contact Lewis, you are sadly mistaken. Very much so. He wants him. It takes time.

No one is saying Lewis will be another Francis. But we are saying he can be a complimentary star. Look at his physical skills and talent level, and it is hard to see why he wouldn't be great on this team.

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Member of the pro-Collier/Langhi movement. IN RUDY WE TRUST!!

 

If the boy says "I'll sign for a year," Seattle's warning bells will sound. Might as well get something in return for him.
I think he wants to come home. To get him? Costly. Cato, probably. I was wondering if we could somehow offer Walt and Cato and the Milwaukee pick and whatever garbage in return for Rashard and...er...Grant? Long (what's the PF/C's name there?) We could use the exception for this. Long has only one year left. He and Dream could both retire, open some major cash for us next year, then we could fill the center gap, or maybe grab a coveted power forward.
I know it's all a long shot, but hell, if Lewis won't sign with them, they need to get something in return.
And if I were Rashard's agent, I'd say the same thing: "Rockets didn't contact me." That's BS, unless we've got a sure thing brewing somewhere else. The Rockets will play any trade close to the vest, because they have been burned burned burned in the past.

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You mean Horace Grant

Sign and trade wise, it won't cost us Cato. Maybe Thomas/Drew/pick/part of exception. But, in a sign and trade, we hold the cards and the upper hand. If it costs us Cato, screw it, it's not worth it for us. In sign and trade deals NOBODY can be traded with the free agent. Orlando can't sign and trade Doleac and whatever garbage to San Antonio for Duncan AND Daniels. (using that as an example). I won't even get into how off the salary numbers.

I do agree with you on the other part. What good will saying that Houston's contacted him do? Odds are, if he's on a local station as "Rashard's agent" there's likely to be some interest in him.

Rudy can be wrong. So he passed over Rashard 3 times. He'd be lying if he said he wouldn't want to do the draft over, and replace Turkcan with Lewis, knowing the future.

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The more lefties on your team, the better.
Collier is Seven Foot and Left Handed. How can you go wrong?
Trade or bench Kenny Thomas.

[This message has been edited by NIKEstrad (edited July 07, 2000).]

 

It must be the name

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In sign and trade deals NOBODY can be traded with the free agent. Orlando can't sign and trade Doleac and whatever garbage to San Antonio for Duncan AND Daniels. (using that as an example)

NIKEstrad,

That's not true. See my last post in this thread: http://bbs.clutchcity.net/ubb/Forum3/HTML/007544.html

To quote Larry Coon: "A sign-and-trade is no different from a regular trade,except that there's an extra provision that says the contract is null and void if the player isn't traded to(specific team name) within 48 hours. Also there's a provision that says the player must be signed for at least three years with at least the first year guarenteed.All of the other trade rules are exactly the same."

I know there's been talk on cc.net about the rule you mentioned , but it's not true. You can trade other players along with a sign and trade player and you can also trade multiple sign and trade players in the same deal. So, Doleac for Duncan and Daniels would be allowed (assuming the salaries matched up). Also, a McGrady for Mercer deal would be legal.


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[This message has been edited by aelliott (edited July 07, 2000).]

 

aelliott-It says nothing about players, only singular player? Have you ever asked Coon this?

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The more lefties on your team, the better.
Collier is Seven Foot and Left Handed. How can you go wrong?
Trade or bench Kenny Thomas.

 

Unfortunately, in todays world, the more exciting thing is often potential and not actually talent. POtential talks, and is ofen rewarded.

That said, I think Lewis has a TON of potential and has already shown actual talent. Something that cant be said of such players as Cato or JErmaine Oneal, who have potential, but havent shown any of it yet. Lewis play in the playoffs was just spectacular. A lot of his points did come from hustle, but who cares. HE was scoring over 20 poitns a game, grabbing a good 5-10 rebounds, and helping out in other areas. If you can get that on just hustle alone, imagine what you can do when people actually start going to you as teh go to guy and you still hustle. I also tried to keep an eye on Lewis during the season. Understandably, I didnt see too many games but I followed most on nba.com. Rashard had some big games. Beyond that, he had developement type games. He had the sort of games that make some people say WOW, and others, like you say hmmmm, he is showing potential, but will he move beyond that. In otehr words, he played good enough for us to be debating this. I presonally think his play was a developement process culminating in great play in the playoffs agaisnt an obviously less athletic Utah JAzz that didt respect Lewis enough. CErtainly, Lewis needs some more work. Ballhandling should be at the top of that list--not by the basket really but in the open court. I think his shot is already improving and will be better than last year. I think he will develope into a superstar. But you are right to argue that he is only on the cusp, and might never get past there. I hope not though. On the Rockets or on another team, this is a good kid who deserves to be great. Houston needs some homegrown basketball talent, not just pros who decide to move here for the summer.

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NIKEstrad,

Yes, I asked Larry Coon. Go to the thread that I linked in my previous post and you can read Coon's complete reply.

I posed two example cases to him. One was trading Mercer for McGrady and the other was packaging Drew and Mobley in a trade. He replied that both were allowed.




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aelliott-very interesting, but it brings these to be said.

1. The team losing the FA likely wouldn't throw in any substantial player, so it'd likely only be a big cap fodder they're unloading on them, or just a bench player.

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The more lefties on your team, the better.
Collier is Seven Foot and Left Handed. How can you go wrong?
Trade or bench Kenny Thomas.

 

NIKEstrad,

1. The team losing the FA likely wouldn't throw in any substantial player, so it'd likely only be a big cap fodder they're unloading on them, or just a bench player.

Agreed. It would most likely be a throw in to even out the salaries.

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Rashard Lewis would be a great fit, a big 3/4 who can run the floor well, exactly what this team needs.

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