newp. Post Rock was born out of shoe-gaze and classical. 90% of post-rock today has elements of shoe-gaze(the warm/washy delay & reverb laden textures ya'll n00bs call ambient). My Bloody Valentine spawned that shoe-gaze-to-post-rock transition. Some bands, like 65daysofstatic and four tet utilize electronic influence of tortoise, but even though post rock is experimental, it still has a formula....and it's not up-tempo at all. also, jagga jazzist is NOT post rock. they are a weird drum'n bass, electronica, blah blah blah but they arent post rock. you have your genres/sub-genres confused. the entire concept of post rock is 'less is more' that is why the song structures in post rock are mind numbingly simple......and tend to be a lot more sprawling, heavily layered and organic......or 'ambient'. as soon as you start changing time signatures and BPM/tempo... by default you start drifting closer to more up tempo **** like jazz/prog/math where the philosophy is 'squeeze as much into one barre as possible' (the complete opposite of post rock) whatev. I'm into dubstep now anyway.... <object width="560" height="340"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/tmfC77sAwvA?fs=1&hl=en_US"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/tmfC77sAwvA?fs=1&hl=en_US" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="560" height="340"></embed></object>
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Went to a little music festival today with a bunch of Canadian alternative country/folk musicians. Left with 2 CDs, one by Romi Mayes Band, which is pretty good, and one by Corin Raymond that I absolutely love. Both were really cool people, too.
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Mainly, some great space and ambient music : Vangelis - Spiral Fripp & Eno - Evening Star Klaus Schulze - Irrlicht Steve Roach - Structures from Silence Tangerine Dream - Phaedra Jean-Michel Jarre - Oxygene Mike Oldfield - Tubular Bells
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yes, the mogwai influenced side of 'post-rock' was born out of shoegaze and other genres - im not arguing w/ you about what the genres influences were. im challenging your narrow definition of the term. im 35 and actually listened to and saw most of the bands we are arguing about back when they first started out. how old are you? that mogwai/mono/explosions in the sky side definitely has a formula. but the point of bands like tortoise, whom the genre was originally popularized by, is that it was not formulatic at all. post-rock was an idea that musicians schooled in rock/punk/ect could use their instruments (guitar, bass, drums) to explore very non-rock genres - that is the essence of the term "post-rock". rock musicians moving beyond the confines of rock music. in your narrow view of what you think post rock is jagga jazzist is not post rock. however, in the common usage of the word post rock they very much are. you have your own narrow definition of this genre and thats fine, but again, as someone who was actually around when that scene picked up and was into alot of those bands, i can assure you that the term post rock means more than what you think it does. again, the very term 'post rock' only came to prominence w/ tortoise. to argue otherwise tells me you werent there at the time and dont really know what you are talking about.
There was never a post rock scene. Thats how I know you don't know what you're talking about. My definition of post rock is not narrow, you're just being lazy and slapping the term on every instrumental group that doesn't use typical rock formulas. and again, just because they helped start a 'post-rock scene' doesn't mean they are post rock....(See MY BLOODY VALENTINE) Tortoise themselves have said many times that they don't want to be labeled 'post-rock' because it's fawking lazy.... http://voices.washingtonpost.com/postrock/2009/07/six_questions_for_tortoise.html "I couldn't help but start my interview with Tortoise drummer John Herndon by asking him to guess the name of this blog. "I can't answer that. I'm not going to say Post Rock," he said. So that got things off to a great start. Of all the terrible microgenre names, that has got to be one of the least exciting ones to be branded with, doesn't it? -It's something that we've been trying to [expletive] crawl out from under since some jackass pinned it on us. cheers mate!
of all the great albums that have come out this year, (there have been a lot).... Baths' "Cerulean" is my absolute favorite. <object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/xJhgsrqTzSk?fs=1&hl=en_US"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/xJhgsrqTzSk?fs=1&hl=en_US" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object> <object width="560" height="340"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/xPRIYx1vxPI?fs=1&hl=en_US"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/xPRIYx1vxPI?fs=1&hl=en_US" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="560" height="340"></embed></object>
Anyone know any bands out there that sound like this? <object width="640" height="385"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/tIZRIf1LnSY?fs=1&hl=en_US"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/tIZRIf1LnSY?fs=1&hl=en_US" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="640" height="385"></embed></object> <object width="640" height="385"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/PncG8D58AvI?fs=1&hl=en_US"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/PncG8D58AvI?fs=1&hl=en_US" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="640" height="385"></embed></object>
how old are you? again, i was actually around at the time the term 'post rock' started being used. you are trying to argue w/ a musician who has been playing in bands for 20 years and a former music critic who used to actually get paid for my opinions. i was post-rockin' it while you were still riding around on training wheels and having to have mommy dress you everyday - you are so over your head here junior. your definition of post rock is indeed very narrow - you are only looking at one side of it, and it isnt even the side that the term was originally coined for. as you said, most post rock bands dont like the term - that doesnt mean it wasnt applied to them. again, to sit here and tell me that tortoise is not generally recognized as post rock tells me you dont know what you are talking about and are too young to have actually been around when the term first came into popular usage. let me guess - your first introduction to 'post-rock' music was the show 'friday night lights' and explosions in the sky?
what am I listening to? A couple of know it alls argue over semantics of music style labels regarding bands that claim they don't fit neatly into any container. Let it go. And now, I will listen to Arcade Fire - Suburbs. I like it... whatever you call it.
i can talk/argue about music all day - what can i say...im a dork! and that arcade fire album is just amazing - i didnt think they could ever top funeral, but they sure did it w/ the suburbs!
