Sources: Carmelo open to multiyear deal with Rockets

Honestly if we do trade for Melo I'd rather have Kevin Martin as part of the package. Martin is a lot like Melo, a volume scorer (except he does it at a more efficient level so I dunno why we're bothering with Melo in the first place, but I digress). No need for Martin when Brooks, Yao and Scola are all legitimate offensive options.

Giving KM away means you'll give up less pieces to get Melo, maybe Hill, C-bud, KM and the NY 2012 pick can get it done already. This means Courtney Lee will become the starter, and his good D and awesome perimeter shooting will complement Melo's ball hog tendencies rather nicely.

 

The difference is Martin does not possess the elite athleticism (LeBron, Wade) or size (Yao, Deron Williams, T-mac) that allows elite offensive players to get shots off any time they want. Martin is better at shooting once he gets favorable position, but elite scorers like Melo are much more frequently capable of creating favorable position. In our offense, Martin will rely on a mix of Yao, our other good offensive players, Adelman's sets, outcutting and outrunning guys to open spots, and occasionally out-athleting/sizing the defender on him. Carmelo is capable of the same ways of getting favorable position, with the difference that should the first few options be eliminated by the opponent's defense, Carmelo can also iso one-on-one against almost ANY defender, much more effectively than Martin can. Only a few players in the league have the quickness, length, AND strength to deny Carmelo favorable position.

 

Carmelo is one of the most clutch players in the league today.

He is nothing like Martin. Can create from any spot on the court. Better shooter off the dribble.

Doesn't need another player to get him shots.

He is better on the fast break.

Can guard 2's and 3's. Effectively when he puts he tries playing defense.


Lets not overrate our players.

 

I took a trip over to the Denver Roundball Mining Blog and it appears that they believe that the Rockets have the most to offer if they have no other choice but to trade Carmelo. However I find their asking price to be quite highl. They believe a fair trade would include Martin, Battier, Hill, Jared Jefferies’s expiring contract and draft picks. Now I know that this is the opinion of their fans and not their GM but since they don't have a GM in place who knows, one of them might just put in a resume. And they truly believe that Rockets management would jump all over this deal. Morey would never mortgage away the future of the team for just Melo. But it did leave me to think that we would have to give up someone who we value highly in order to make the deal stick for an extended contract for Melo. So now my question to you now is who would you be willing to part with?

Personally, I view Hill, Martin, and Budinger along with Yao as the future for this team. These are the only two players that I wouldn’t be willing to move and I think that they see the same value in them as I do which is why they are the ones which were targeted. Of course Hill and Budinger are low-value youngsters but I liked what I saw from them in their rookie years but then again that’s only one season. T-Will showed alot of potential at the tail end of last season. I think Melo wants to play with an up and coming championship caliber team. If we give away all of our young pieces for Melo would we really have a team that can compete with LAL, DAL, SAS, POR , and OKC. I know that we have to give up someone in order to get an extended Melo in a trade but definitely not all of them. And even if we gave up two of those players, I would hope that we wouldn’t give up two 1st rounders as well. All of them are our first round picks for the last two years so they are technically asking for 5 first round picks with at least two being lottery picks in T-Will and Favors. That is way too much to ask. I do think we have the most to offer and I think we make the most sense if a trade does go through. However, I don’t think it will happen because we aren’t going to give away our future to get him. Then again I could be reluctant to get my hopes up again after being spurned by LeBron.

 

oops I meant Hill and Budinger in the last paragraph. Too many thoughts about our rivals nets haha

 

Martin is a combination of good size and good athleticism. He is 6'7" and he has a very good first step, which is why he is a good slasher and often draws fouls from defensive players trying to adjust. He also doesn't need the ball in his hands all the time to be effective or clog the offense like Tmac could or Melo does sometimes.

Obviously he doesn't have the tools that Melo has but there's a reason why Martin is one of the most efficient players in the league. The problem comparing the offensive output of the 2 players isn't that Martin has problems scoring or is a 1-dimensional player but that Melo is pretty much better than everyone at scoring from anywhere and for raw output there's a only a few guys in the league like Kobe who are in his league.

 

I believe that means we are just stupid if thats what it took to get him. Stubborn and that wont change. Just like our record lately wont in winning and just like the Texans management. So far color me not impressed with Morey or Smith from either franchise. They both mine gold nuggets from out of nowhere but dont produce anything thats close to competing seriously. Just small fart noises come from their moves that the world barely notices. :grin:

 

I disagree. Perhaps I could see that being the case with Boston winning, when Paul Pierce was given a "superstar" label after the finals series, but other previous champions all had well known superstars before they won (exception of course is the Detroit Piston team). Recent Lakers = Kobe, Spurs = Duncan, Heat = Wade, Lakers early 2000 = Shaq & Kobe, Bulls = Jordan, Rockets = Hakeem, Pistons = Isaiah, Lakers = Magic, etc... History definitely shows that superstars indeed win championships.

 

Melo's comin to the H and he's we're winning the ship back-to-back

B-O-O-K I-T

 

I think we need to get Anthony no matter what.
Anyone who gets Anthony seems to be the front runner in getting Paul as well.
But somehow I would like all this to go down without parting with Martin, he needs to stay.
With all these players no doubt the Rockets would be considered elite along with only two other teams, which we all know who they are.

 

There is maybe 1 player in the entire league that can stop Melo in the post and that is crazy pills (Artest). We immediately upgrade our post game with Melo going against any SF in the WCF.

AB, Lee, Melo, Scola, & Yao. We have 3 post up players, 4 solid mid range, and 3 3pt shooters.

Bench, AB, JT, Bud, PPat, and Miller (We may need to upgrade the backup 4 spot or use Chuck more)... Not my want to use Chuck though

 

lolololololol.

The way I look at it is, we have suffered from injuries and that has set us back seriously. A cheap-ish owner doesn't help either. To be honest, I'd rather go for the championship or go for total tanking. Just getting in to the second round of the playoffs and then have no hope of further advancing is like being the Charlotte Bobcats of the NBA, and in the NBA being stuck in the middle is the worst position you can be in.

I've been really happy with Morey lately. His Tmac trade I would say is one of the best trades of the year. However the only thing that bugs me is how we never went after stars with contracts.

If Morey doesn't get us a star by the trade deadline, then I would view his assets as a total disappointment. But until then, I would just take the inconclusive grade. It is annoying how GM has never pulled a trade like the Billups trade or the Stephen Jackson trade.

 

No matter you want to say about Carmelo Anthony, he wins...period.

He is one of two active NBA players who have won an NCAA championship and an Olympic gold medal (as well as an Olympic bronze and a gold medal in the FIBA Americas Tournament). Should he win an NBA title, he will be one of only seven players to ever complete that trifecta. Of the other six, five are in the Hall of Fame...Clyde Lovellette, Bill Russell, K.C. Jones, Jerry Lucas, Michael Jordan and Magic Johnson. Quinn Buckner also completed that circuit.

Moreover, as Woody Paige of the Denver Post points out, he turned the Denver franchise around after being drafted in 2003.

Claims that he's not a winner are simply wrong. Beyond that, his former teammate, Johan Petro, says his passion and work ethic are inspirational.

http://www.denverpost.com/paige/ci_...r.com&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=twitter

 

Just one small problem about that picture. Why is our 7'6 center standing at the top of the key with the ball in his hand?

 

that's correct. we should be running predictable JVG style offense: dump to Yao Ming at the low post

 

Wow is all I can say about this post. I am facepalming right now.

 

Signed Carmelo yet?

 

I wonder how Nuggets4 feels about a Knicks trade with Eddy Curry as the centerpiece... That's what the fans on the NY forum seem to think is going to happen (with Gallo being untouchable)

 

NY fans are stupid if they think they will get Melo in a trade while keeping Gallo (or anyone for that matter). Just like Rockets fans are stupid if they think they can get Melo without giving up either Brooks or Martin.

 

Well, with the amount of assets that we have, it should be possible to not have to include either Brooks or Martin. I hope.