Sources: Carmelo open to multiyear deal with Rockets

Sounds like someone who has watched him play....

If you look up Melo's stats...the advanced metrics show he is not all that great.

Melo = Chucker.

DD

 

Which "advanced" metrics?

Shots per minute? FG%?

Those "advanced" metrics talked about in that ESPN article were hardly advanced enough for Morey to even consider.

Funny they don't mention situational stats. What kind of shots does he get his FG% on? He isn't a good shooter? What is his EFG% on WIDE OPEN jumpshots?

TS% is a good step forward from plain FG%, but hardly tells the whole story. Unless you think the Melo/Kobe/Wade of the world take the same kind of shots as Shane Battier.

To differentiate between those shots, THAT's advanced metrics. And you sure wouldn't find the answer in an ESPN article.

 

Agreed.

Well, he's a very good player, no doubt. He's just not as good as people make him out to be. He isn't the kind of player you pay anything to get. You only acquire him if the price is right.

That means no giving up Brooks, Martin, or Scola.

But I bet Morey could get it done with draft picks and/or bench players. The Rockets have tons of assets.

 

I hear you and I generally respect your opinions, but In Morey I Trust, DD.

 

Me too Lynus, me too.....And Morey has not gone out and gotten Melo, now has he?



DD

 

Well he's better than Brooks, and Martin, and Scola.

Picks and Bench players are not going to get it done, we have to give them something. Namely a young player with some upside...Brooks/Chase. We have to give them cap relief Jeffries/Trade Exception. We have to give them something to help rebuild them with.

I doubt the Nuggets are going to be happy with a one-sided deal. Any trade will have to be approved by Karl I bet and he's not a stupid coach who'll just take anything.

Besides, Martin's contract is too long for a rebuilding team and Scola just signed a new one and is 30. I doubt the Nuggets will ask for that IF there is a trade in the works.

 

Or someone who loves basketball, especially my Houston Rockets, and soaks up everything you can about every team in the NBA....

 

Actually, I read up on people who watched him play :grin:

Seriously though, what I am afraid of is that Morey will be forced to get Melo because you simply can't pass up that caliber of player.

HOWEVER. That type of caliber happens to go against the type players Morey usually wants. Melo is the anti Martin/Lowry/Lee. I really do like Melo but I just feel his talent isn't appropriate for the talent Morey has assembled over the past few years. I've been sold on Iggy since the season ended.

 

I was watching NBA tv today and they showed the overtime game between the nuggets and cavs, the one where melo hit the game winner! That was one if lebrons better games last year and melo played a step ahead of lebron all game! Not saying melo us better than lebron, but he isn't far from him!!

 

Look at win shares/48 min, differential of offensive and defensive ratings. Being a supposed alpha dog, Melo is not on a par with other elite players -- Kobe, Wade, Yao, you name it.

 

People calling Melo a chucker are kind of stupid.

Calling one of the games elite scorers a chucker is like saying Michael Jordan was a chucker. Guy gets to the line so he obviously is at least getting fouled while is his "chucking".

Carmelo would make Martin and Yao second and third options. This is where those guys set in a rotation if you wanna play for a ring. Anthony has had some NBA success he hasn't always had the quality of roster Denver has provided the last 2-3 years.

 

Looking at WS/48, Courtney Lee went from a .108 to a .063 last year. Now did some alternate factors come into play on the Nets, or did he really become only half the player he was his rookie year last year?

Point is, all these stats are a good starting place, much moreso than the standard pts/rebs/ast, but you also have to consider all the other factors to piece together the real picture.

Is Melo on par with Kobe, Wade, Lebron? Most likely not. But just looking at WS/48 and Ortg and Drtg doesn't tell the whole story either.

 

There are several problems with using Courtney Lee as a comparison. First, the sample size is too small for Lee's career stats to reach any conclusion. Second, Lee was not on the same team in his two-year NBA stint. Third, despite being a starter for most of the games on a lousy team, Lee wasn't even a third option (check his USG%). On the other hand, Anthony has been in the league for long enough time, and has been playing with plenty of competent teammates. His track record simply cannot demonstrate he is actually worth all this hype.

 

I'm sure Melo would love to come to Dallas.

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I think wnes made a great reply and I would like to further add to his point.

Stats may or may not be a good indicator of future play (generally much better) but there is a chance the Melo could play very well for the Rox's given a change of scenery. However, considering his past, Melo will/may take many shots away Brooks/Martin, Scola, and Yao. How will this affect team chemistry/philosophy that has generally optimized unselfishness and ball movement?

 

Morey knew ahead of time Melo would want to go NY that's why he made that trade for the Knicks' picks not because he wanted to get rid of T-Mac but he wanted to eliminate their chances in the Melo sweepstakes. Morey FTW!

 

You know which player could have been useful as a trading chip in netting a small forward superstar? Trevor Ariza.

Can someone explain how the trade exception and cap savings help us trade for a wing superstar? Does it help us more than a young player with a reasonable non-expiring contract that most GMs believe is an NBA starter ...especially since said young player would help fill the void left by the traded superstar because he plays same position?

 

Rockets's alpha dog will be a Cerberus of Martin, Melo, and Yao.

 

He can see the future!!!!

 

Its pretty simple...he went from a contender with more wins so more w shares opportunitys because of the cast of players...to a TERRIOBLE team with less win share opportunities...

You guys on this site put way too much stock in these dumb stats...i doubt morey uses any of them except TS% which makes sense........

Melo and Kobe have virtually the same offensive impact no matter what the win shares or adjusted +/- say...only difference is kobe is a tenacious defender... The nuggets arent nearly as good as the lakers so Melo has to take more of the offensive load...no breaks.

You put melo on this team his stats would improve his ppg might drop to 22 but I bet he hits 50% Fg and 36 or 37 % 3pt. Because he will never have to just jack up heavily contested shots...and the offense, once he learns it, will utilize his talents.