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Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by vince, Jul 4, 2000.

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Rashard Lewis, my personal favorite!!! He is a restricted free agent so, teams must offer the Sonics more than the 3.5 or so million. As I understand it, the Rockets don't have cap room to out bid the Sonics, what do you suggest. What do the Rockets do to free up some money, could they use the exemption, because I don't think they can for this purpose!!!

Next up, Croshere, has hustle written all over him and I've heard rumors that Indiana wants to keep him but with Reggie Miller, Jalen Rose, Rick Smits, Mark Jackson, etc. Croshere may be a third or so priority. Which is sounding good for the Rockets. Look Indiana will need a center since Rick isn't cutting it and the Rockets have one in Cato!!! Just a suggestion.

Next is the Cato for Fizer Rumor!! Geez I must be desperate for something to happen for me to mention this one. The Reason is that Cato is only one year away from being declared a total flop. He is three years away from being declared a legitamate center. Don't get me wrong, if Cato was 22 and coming out of this years draft, he may have gone top 6, but reality is cato is 25+ and has done little in the NBA, of course the opportunity to do something was just presented. CAto for Fizer sounds good to me.

Well what are the chances of the Rockets to acquire any one of these three players, Lewis, Croshere, Fizer? What are the chances to acquire all four of these players?

Intriguing Lineup is everything fall in place:

C--Croshere (Orl. Det. & Milw. picks for him)
pf-Fizer (Cato for Fizer)
sf-Lewis (Drew for Lewis)
sg-Anderson
pg-Francis

6th man--Mobley

This team looks to be complete to compete!! Lewis is one year away from being declared a super star. Fizer would help the Rockets immediately. Croshere just needs playing time to show what he can do. Anderson is a defensive stopper. Francis only needed players to pass the ball to. Mobley is the cherry on the cake.

Bring it on Orlando. I put this team against your Duncan--Hill Lead team any day.

Rockets in 2001!!!!!!

Of course some things must fall into place. What do you thing GM prodigies!! Farce or reality.

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#1 vince, Jul 4, 2000

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Smeg gets serious and you start doing humor.

The only Austin that plays center is Ike and you don't want him.

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#2 Mango, Jul 4, 2000
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Yes I love your dream vince, but am not sure how it would help the rockets having Croshere at Centre up against the likes of Shaq, Duncan, Sabonis, Divac, Bradley, Ewing, Mourning, Kandi, Smits, Reeves, shall i go on, most centres are usually 7 footers and unless Croshere has taken a quick trip over to Romania for some "Murasean-growth-Hormone-treatment" he is still only 6-9 and would get slaughtered by these guys.

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#3 SmeggySmeg, Jul 4, 2000
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You've got to be kidding me!!! You don't think Croshere can play center? I thought he did a great job during the playoffs.

Don't forget that everytime Croshere went in Rick Smits went out. In turn that means that Croshere was playing center!!! I do recall him playing center and Power forward.

Let's not get off track here!!!

going back to the original thread

How to get these players in Rocket Uni's; come on spend some of those brain cells on something other than beers. Come on, give me your scenarios to get Croshere, lewis, or/and Fizer to the Rockets!!!

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#4 vince, Jul 4, 2000
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I don't know vince, I thought it was common sense and all and part of everyone's basketball IQ, but . . .

Just because a player gets taken out of the game, doesn't imply the player coming on for him is going to play that position.
Most coaches shift players from one position to another. For example, Smits goes out, Croshere comes in, Perkins or D.Davis shift from PF to center. How many times did u see Austin guard Shaq during that series? He was almost always on Horry.

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#5 Azim da Dream, Jul 4, 2000
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Hey Smeg, I get your drift. Croshere is better suited for 80% time at Power forward and 20% time at center and or sf.

Alright having settled that, let's get down to the nitty gritty. If the Opportunity presented itself and the trade was all but set up do you do Cato for Fizer or Cato for Croshere. Of course the Croshere is a sign and trade.

But, let's not forget Lewis in the haste of all this Croshere debate. How do the Rockets get Lewis whom they passed on once befor (not to mention a previous time and oh yeah another previous time)

Come on Rudy Lewis is the Cream of the Crop in this bunch. Don't blunder it a 4th time. Forget about the System for a change and get Lewis. I think Lewis is the type of player that would allow Francis to excell tremendously!!

Rudy remember you are a great coach, but don't think your X's and O's can beat the Lakers and Orlando Magic with Rogers, Collier, and Williams, helping out Francis, Anderson, and Mobley.

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#6 vince, Jul 4, 2000
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Lets not mention Dale Davis or Sam Perkins being on the court at the same time as Croshere.

Keep dreaming vince, i love your ideas, but I'm just not sure about Cato for Fizer, as it would leave us with no decent centre, and as for the other two, if the rockets could pull off one of them that would be sensational, for me the only way it could happen is if either if them really wants to play in Houston and then they sign on as a FA, for cheap and we give them the nudge-nudge wink-wink we will reward you later Shandy deal.

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#7 SmeggySmeg, Jul 4, 2000

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Azim, uhmm your a sly one!!! IQ and the sorts being mentioned. ouch my Rocket fan!!!

Uhmm, well Azim, if you don't have the IQ to mention HOW I repeat HOW to get this guy (and only in your opinion) into a rocket uniform, well of course you have to pretend your a big man an mention IQ's.

Anyhow, Croshere plays center the way Rudy would want him to play, leaving the lane wide open and taking Shaq out to hit the 3's.

deahrs ma I EKue!!!

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#8 vince, Jul 4, 2000
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i take it, it's Rudy idea too, to get posterised at the other end, and give Shaq a chance to break Wilt's 100 pt effort.

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#9 SmeggySmeg, Jul 5, 2000
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Hey Smeg, do I detect a bit of Sarcasm?

Hey so what happened to your serious tone!!

Dude, you've got to see the whole picture. Croshere would be livid at the Three point line. And Shaq would tire out.

But come on what are we arguing for, tis not for 3 years before the Rockets are ready for a 3rd championship.

Croshere and Collier at the 4 and 5 position would be Ideal!!!

But come on, especially directed to the new found seriousity for Smeg.

How to get Lewis into a Rocket Uniform?

How to get Croshere into a Rocket Uniform?

How to get Fizer into a Rocket Uniform?

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#10 vince, Jul 5, 2000
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Farce.

And Croshere at center, that's a good one.

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#11 Tha Play Maker, Jul 5, 2000
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Vince,

There is no way (0%) we could get all three.
I think Francis, Mobley, Anderson, Cato are not going to be traded, and it would be high unlikely that the two new rooks would be either.

That leaves Drew, Walt, KT (reluctantly), Rodgers, Pig , Bull and Moochie as tradable, plus a fair pile of first round picks.

I can't realistically see much in that pile of players that Indiana, Seattle and Chicago would want.

Plus I am not really keen on Fizer unless we could get him with a combination of the above mentioned pile of poo players, which won't happen.

As for Lewis or Croshere (the is no way we could get both) there is one chance and for me the only way it could happen is if either if them really wants to play in Houston (for lewis it is home, and for croshere who knows, young up and coming team)

And then they sign on as a FA, for cheap and we give them the nudge-nudge wink-wink we will reward you later Shandon Anderson deal.

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#12 SmeggySmeg, Jul 5, 2000
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So, who do you rate as a better fit for the Rockets Lewis or Croshere.

I like Lewis better because he has the Higher potential.

But Croshere blew me away with his explosive style of power play. The guy doesn't have potential anymore, he is a legitamte player. All he needs is a chance. The guy has all the tools on the offensive side of basketballl. He has a 3pt game, he has a power game, and he has a 10 foot game. How much better can you get.

But, come on, I don't think anybody wants to be the team that blew golden opportunities to get Lewis. Lewis will come back to haunt Rudy and his talent evaluators.

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Ok, so I've been looking at the Indiana team (and remember draft day rumours) and maybe it's not inconceivable that we could snare Austin Croshere. Now this may all seem a bit ridiculous, it did to me at first, but it's been making more and more sense the more I think about it (although maybe I'm jsut wishing)

So by position, this is Indiana's current roster;
PG Travis Best
SG
SF Al Harrington;Derrick McKey;Chris Mullin
PF Dale Davis; Jonathan Bender;Jeff Foster
C Zan Tabak;Primoz Brezec

Free agents; Mark Jackson;Reggie Miller;Jalen Rose;Austin Croshere;Rik Smits; Sam Perkins

Now I imagine the Pacers will be looking to resign some of those free agents, and at the same time build for the future. So I'm guessing that Jackson is gone, Smits is gone (I see him retiring..) and Perkins may or may not stay depending or circumstances.
Miller, Rose and Croshere are all important for the pacers to look to re-sign. But hang on, the pacers have Al Harrington, an outstanding do it all with GREAT size and speed at the SF or PF spot, and Jonathon Bender, another massively talented scorer at either SF or PF - not to mention Dale Davis playing PF and the ever versatile McKey backing up... is Croshere essential to Indiana's plans? I'm certain that the pacers need another Center who fits their system, not to mention a backup PG for Best.
Coming back to draft day rumours, the pacers were high on Collier because he could fill Smits role on offense and provide a slightly more physical presence on defense, plus he's definitely a better rebounder than Smits, that's something that hurt the Pacers throughout last season. And as rumour had it the pacers were looking to get a hold of Collier and the rockets wanted Croshere, maybe some sort of deal has been facilitated that involved swapping Croshere for Collier (and maybe Drew to backup at PG?) - the Pacers wouldn't lose out too much in terms of missing Croshere due to Harrington and Bender being available, and their top priority could be to sign Reggie and Jalen, 2 players who WERE crucial to their success last year and Rose promises to be a part of their "new" nuclues along with Harrington and Bender and Best - Collier may be the ideal role player for them ??

Sounds crazy, but the Pacers could unload some financial constraints (in Mullins contract) in the deal enabling them to make more lucrative offers to both Miller and more importantly Rose.

Rip my idea, say I'm drunk, but think about it a little, it might make more sense after a while...

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happy 5th of July everybody!

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Cisco, have you had 6 beers to many????

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Hmm ill try for fizer and lewis verry tricky and difficult though. croshere is impossible and we wont need him if we get other 2.

first off we would have to do the lewis trade 1st and foremost..

and lewis would have to really want to play for us. and he would have to say im walking if u dont sign n trade.

Suns
Recieve
Bryce Drew-backup PG they need
Carlos Rogers- an athletic fool who can help em

Rockets recieve
phoenix's #1st round pick next year-- which will be conveyed to vancouver
1 future 2nd round pick

Sonics
Recieve
Kenny Thomas- good guy to have period. gives em versatility and lots of RBs.

Walt Williams- good locker room prescense, good shooter and scorer which could take load off of GP, good vet

our future 1st round pick next year which is not protected no matter waht the pick they get it

detroits pick ( a lotto one since grant hill is leavin)

orlando's pick taht is owed to us.

Bulls
Recieve Kelvin Cato- the C they need like hell or is will purdue the better option lol?

Recieve- a future 2nd round draft pick
recieve-a future owed 1st rounder that is due by 2005 top 3 protected UNTIL 2005.

and the 4.5 trade exception

Rockets Recieve
Marcus Fizer- a lean mean fighting machine PF
Hershey Hawkins- a salary eating player
That big foreign center- another cap eating player. fizer is not a SF.

and presto!! we have our team

PG-Franchise/the mooch
SG- Mobes/SA
C-Collier/Drem/Pig- actually we could really stand to draft a good athlete next year.
PF-Fizer/FA? fortson?
SF-Rashard/SA will see time here

all purely hypothetical and its just dreamcasting but dreamcasting is fun fun fun.

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#17 TeXaSalsa, Jul 5, 2000
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If the Rockets somehow got Croshere and Lewis together, that would be great. But I don't see why we would trade Cato away for Fizer after we get Lewis and Croshere. It would be much smarter to leave Cato at center and have him intimidate with his shot blocking. Croshere wouldn't do very well as the everyday starting center, he would crumble under the punishment he would go through. THis Lineup would be great:
C-Cato
PF- Croshere
SF- Lewis
SG- Shandon
PG- Stevie
Mobley coming off the bench.
With a deeper bench, and a couple more years of maturity and expierence, this team could go a long way. They would alson need some veteran prescence though, like Ron Harper was to the Lakers. Lewis and Francis would be the superstars.
Lewis would fit better than Croshere, since he is more athletic and has more upside than Croshere which would fit with the running style, although Croshere would fit great too.

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TeX,
I'm just curious, why is Croshere so impossible? If Indiana makes a commitment to Jalen Rose and The high schoolers then surely Croshere would become slightly expendable - sure he'd be useful NOW, but in 2 years Al and Jon are gonna wanna play or they'll walk. Why wouldn't they take another Rick Smits type center (who has served their system so well) and some of our future first round picks - we have a plethora to send them, offer them as many as it takes!
It's only possible if the Pacers have their eye on Collier though...

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i think croshere will re up with the pacers or sign with the celts.

i like croshere dont get me wrong but fizer can score more and he's got a body that can take some punishment. i think fizer will be an excellent pro. he has a mean streak which we lack.

fizer/lewis would be alot better than croshere/lewis

austin can play some PF but he's a better SF who can create mismatches. fizer is a POWER forward. he has a POWER GAME.

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