Fixing other countries is not our job. Fixing the immigration issue here is.. . and it is within our ability to do something about Rocket River
As a naturalized citizen of this great country, I still support birth right citizenship based on the 14th Amendment. However, I do not support illegal immigration because my parents had to abide by the laws of immigration in obtaining a visa and then followed the guidelines towards citizenship. Illegal immigrants should get back in line and wait for their turn. My proposal to fix the immigration issue. 1) Secure the borders by enforcing border patrol cooperation with local and state law enforcement. Remove protection for "safe haven" cities in the border states. Add more national guards along the border if neccessary to fight organized crime by the cartels. My focus would be to control the influx of immigrants and manage the number of people entering the country. 2) Do not deport any illegal immigrant already in the country prior to lets say a fixed date when the secure border laws go into effect. Instead create a path towards citizenship where they must follow certain guidelines like wait 5 years, pay taxes, fines, and demonstrate assimilation in language and comprehension of our system and laws. 3) Create a migrant workers program with a labor pool for local business and companies to hire from without fear of federal raids and fines. Although, the immigrants would have to negotiate labor terms without interference from government because the primary reason to hire immigrants is the low wages you can pay them. Again I know people will complain about wages and labor laws but that is the reality of immigration in this country. Cheap labor is the only reason people want foreigners working for them anyways. However, the migrant worker program should have provision to allow immigrants to apply for citizenship after a certain period of time provided that they demonstrate job proficiency, clean criminal history, and payment of taxes. By securing the border first and curtailing the number of illegal crossovers, we can then move forward to bring all the illegals already in this country to become citizens Again the foundation of this country is build on the backbone of immigrants. No person whether native or immigrant, conservative or liberal, white or hispanic can prove otherwise. God Bless America!
I have no desire to end citizenship by birth. It is fundamental in our nation's history. If people are concerned about people coming over illegally and having their kids here for the citizenship and benefits, there are other answers. One possible answer is an awful thing to do, but may work. NOTE: I do NOT advocate this. I believe that it will spur interesting conversation. The child is a citizen and has the right to live here by birth. They can stay. Mom and Dad are illegal. They must leave the country. They are, of course, free to take their child with them when they go. Like I said, really awful on a number of levels. Discuss away.
I kind of think that's worse. The state has a 16 year burden consuming tax dollars with zero return...economically speaking it's worse. Atleast the illegally employed and working adults would be consumers of things besides social services you'd hope.
People flow from underdeveloped countries to developed countries. If you refuse to help those countries, then you must simply accept illegal immigration as inevitable. This isn't just an American or recent phenomenon either, it happens in South America, Europe, and Asia as well. This is like trying to prevent gravity. Good luck with that.
Funny . . America is wrong to interfere in those country then It is America's duty it interfere with those countries. . . . Can't have it both ways Rocket River
This isn't like the US intervening in Iraq or Afghanistan. The US and Mexico are already heavily involved in each others' business, but the relationship is not all that beneficial to Mexico.
Your "fixed" is mistaken. Sen. Graham's comments about well off Chinese coming here and having babies was specifically about Chinese who came here legally on tourist visas.
What sort of problems? Don't tell me that you are buying the arguments that these people are a 5th column to undermine the US. Anyway as I noted in the other thread the "anchor baby" argument of illegals using them as a wedge to stay here actually isn't true. The parents can still be deported along with minor children. They are all US citizens and short of changing the 14th, which you don't recommend either, that is the case. True we should fix SSI for a variety of reasons but leaving aside SSI there are still big benefits from immigration, illegal or otherwise. If you look at Japan where they have a declining population and tightly control immigration there are some big repurcussions to their economy. An aging population cannot sustain economic growth when much of the population is withdrawing money for retirement. THe US isn't there yet but part of the reason why is that we have an influx of immigration. Also as I have noted several times when the US was at full employment there were probably more illegal immigrants than we have now. Clearly the development of our economy needs more workers than are here legally.
This is basically already the law, illegal parents are regularly and routinely deported, and they can take the kids with them (who can then return to the US at age 21).
They are breaking the law unless they declare they're visiting with the intention of having a baby here. It's illegal to conceal, withhold, or give false information to an immigration official. The "fixed" is quite accurate. Improper time or place; avoidance of examination or inspection; misrepresentation and concealment of facts Any alien who (1) enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers, or (2) eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers, or (3) attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/uscode/8/12/II/VIII/1325
Are there any specific questions on visa application form asking if an applicant a) is pregnant or b) is intending to conceive and give birth to a child in the U.S.? If no such questions exist, then what law is broken? Note in the piece you cited, the word "intention" is nowhere to be found.
How is an intention equivalent to a material fact? Further, how do you indict a legal alien who is on tourist visa but gave a birth in the U.S.? Didn't she visit at least some parts of the U.S. anyway? If the Americans are so concerned about legal aliens having babies in the U.S., they should ask the Congress to rewrite the law. The current immigration law doesn't prohibit you from procreating while you are in this country, legally or not. This is not the same as working, for which you need to get a permit, or maybe to change visa status.
So being pregnant is a material fact that should outlaw foreigners from coming but only if they don't tell us? This whole "anchor baby" issue is a non-starter. The parents of any baby born in this country aren't even eligible for possible citizenship for another 21 years at the bare minimum. It's not exactly like the kid comes out with green cards for his parents.
This is why I practice bankruptcy and not immigration. :grin: If this is basically the law as it stands, then I do not see the urge to change the 14th Amendment. It seems that the biggest concern that people have is presently addressed.
