Dood, I'm not gonna get started with you lol. You are not asking in order to gain knowledge or actually find the answer to your question. I already know that in your head, you will use your glenn beck-like logic to connect it to Islam.
Are you inferring its religion? Can you not go back and realize under Islamic rule the progression and focus on not just science, philosophy and medicine at the time, but not to mention the first pluralistic society? Was that not the same religion? Was it not then at a time when women of all societies weren't allowed to own land etc, that Islam was progressive in that forefront? When people talk about these rules, these aren't Islamic rules, they simply use that to get their authoritarian agenda and make people fall for it, its been done with many religions and many religions, to bring unity and to make their word more powerful by aligning it with God's word. Islam is multi faceted, and arabic world is respectfully not representative of what Islam is, infact thats all its associated with, but majority of muslims live in Indonesia, not the arab world. It goes on and on and its unfortunate that this is not a clash of religions as people like to make it seem, but a clash of ignorances which dehumanizes both groups and doesn't understand that islam itself just like Christianity does not say anything, its people that interpret it for their agenda. This happens with the KKK which is a small group that considers themself right christians and it happens with the extremists in Islam which is a less than one percent group, we are asking the wrong questions here. As for pakistan, yea, basically we drove out Musharaff in all this talk for a democracy, but democracy only works for an informed group of people, for the educated to make proper decisions, otherwise its a flawed system, not only was Musharaff progressive and understanding of all the facets of Islam and against the extremist, he did it with an iron fist that Pakistan needed since the people were not read for a democracy, out he goes, in comes the 'democracy, which has manipulated its way to vote in Zardari who is a convicted crook and criminal and playing with the media and sentiments of his wife's shooting to win the election and bring Pakistan to its lowest I have ever seen.
Are you new around here? No, I'm saying ATW would infer the reason is religion. I was merely pointing out the ingenuity of ATW's question. I'm saying he would love to connect Pakistan's economic and social problems to the Quran. I actually agree on most of your points.
OP, your post is "an absolute joke." as others have pointed out, muslim nations are donating to the tune of millions. makes me view your post with some skepticism as their may be an agenda here. your argument is disjointed. you say that muslim nations arent donating. muslim nations arent seen as "western nations." so how would the lack of donations from muslim nations cause pakistanis to become "more bitter and resentful towards the west"? especially when western countries are donating tens of millions. and i dont get why you mentioned india.
Of course, I must have drawn that graph myself and written the BBC article as well. Clearly Saudi was late onto the scene of pledging money, and of course it was for one of their beloved Muslim brothers. Now I'm going to say something that isn't for everyone. Muslim nations want to paint a certain picture about the greedy West but when it comes to humanitarian efforts, no one comes close to touching the generosity of nations predominated by white people. The first thing that comes to your mind is "they do it because they can", but Saudi has had plenty of opportunities to help non-Islamic nations. They donated exactly $0 to Haiti and are practically non-existent when it comes to philanthropic issues. I have been to events in the UAE where all the top donors were all companies situated in NorthAmerica/Europe and caucasian individuals. Nakheel Properties is the one exception. Maybe it's something about the concept of new money versus old money that I don't understand. And there are exceptions, but I am intentionally speaking in generalizations because stingyness, especially towards those who aren't exactly like you, seems to be a cultural thing in the East. http://www.jihadwatch.org/2008/05/u...ich-muslim-countries-give-almost-nothing.html http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/01/21/oil-rich-nations-fall-far-short-haiti-donations/ Oil rich nations fall far short in donations As a proud human being who values life, I like to keep a watch over places of poor socio-economic activity and dodgy governing in the world where terrorism gets it's roots from. Because when you're out in the real world, the greatest enemy you can face is someone with nothing to lose. If Pakistan didn't get money from Saudi, the governing body paints it like the greedy West controls the oil-rich Muslim nations and when they do donate, it's in the name of Allah. And I've seen enough of Al-Jazeerah and PTV news to know how religion heavy they are at the expense of logic. We've all heard it before, but I'm just voicing my opinion on how stingy and small-hearted the East is to people who aren't their own. And I also can't understand India's stance of no humanitarian help whatsoever... you get into petty battles with people clearly weaker than you and you're sucking yourself into that vortex. Throw out history, throw out the bickering, this isn't the path towards progress during a time of need. $10 million isn't going to hurt the pockets, and if they don't trust the money will be allocated properly, they can send over blankets and food. Lol this is not taking a stance, it's called being misers. Close to 2,000 dead and 14 million affected isn't a joke.
I doubt anyone in the Indian govt has forgotten how Pakistan handled Indian aid for the victims of the 2005 earthquake. Perhaps what we're seeing is a replay or direct outcome of that: http://dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2010/08/13/story_13-8-2010_pg7_24 IIRC, Pakistan didnt just refuse money and supplies - it also refused help from the Indian Air Force which was offering its helicopters for use in rescue missions and to drop supplies for places that were inaccessible by road... The Indian city of Leh has been devastated by flash floods itself. Why should India give supplies to pakistan only to see it all rot and go to waste? There are plenty of flood affected people in Leh and the surrounding areas that could make better use of those supplies.... Anyway, has Pakistan's stance towards accepting aid from India changed since 2005? This seems to suggest that it hasn't: http://www.thehindu.com/news/international/article566847.ece If Pakistan really is open to aid from India, wouldn't it be advisable for its FM to include India in its briefings?
All - Use this website (UNHCR) to donate - that's the most help you can give in this discussion: http://www.unhcr.org/emergency/pakistanfloods/global_landing.html
Just wanted to point out the bullshiet in this post above, Saudi Arabia gave $50 million to Hati....considering that Ronny is an internet elitist nerd, I doubt he did not see or know about this already considering he went out of his way to find an article about it. Saudis Donate $50 Million for Haiti Relief Largest Donation of Aid From Middle East; United Arab Emirates Also Sending 77 Tons of Supplies http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/01/25/world/main6139051.shtml
Thanks, this post was informative. Wasn't aware of Pakistan's refusal to accept help. I had no clue, in both cases they came in with later contributions after there was a lot of international grumbling about Saudi's disposable funds and lack of generosity. A google search turned up results like these: http://www.suhaibwebb.com/ummah/where-are-the-muslim-donations-for-haiti/ http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/01/21/oil-rich-nations-fall-far-short-haiti-donations/ http://www.themajlis.org/2010/01/18/muslim-countries-are-in-fact-helping-haiti - An Islamic site: Nonetheless, thanks for the link. It's winners like you who keep the ignorant at bay.
This is why they say "patriotism" and "nationalism" is more bad than good. Its support that is blind and fanatical. At its extreme it accepting everything your country does as divinely right without questioning it. The region does not even have to be good to qualify for blind, fanatical unwavering support. Patriotism can just mean having "high morale" and boost of spirits to get things done, but it seems people would rather be "proud" instead of being "GOOD". Actually its easier to be all things in the world BESIDES being right and good. Negativity is easy, which is why people keep holding on to simple beliefs without challenging themselves.
Goodness, is there some kinda religious ordinance for everything? Every movement from when you move out of bed until you go back to sleep is defined by what some scripture tells you to do. This is what happens when powerful religious elites are allowed free reign to script out every bit of policy and ordinances for a society. It suffocates and stifles, everything has to go through the religious filtering process.
BTW, the chart is hogwash. The GCC has allocated hundreds of millions, and a far greater proportion of GDP than any other countries in the world. It's part of the region's culture not to proclaim the amount of charity so publicly such that it doesn't become a show-off game. That idea is clearly lost on Ronny.
Zakat is different from charity. Zakat is one of the pillars of Islam, 2.5% of our total wealth should be given to the poor once a year. And yes, it is for the Muslims only. Charity, on the other hand, can be given to anyone from a Christian to an Athiest to a Scientologist. Muslims DO give to non-Muslims in the name of charity. I always give to poor non-Muslims under 59 and Hillcroft.
No its not for the muslims only, that is your interpretation of it. I have met muslims like yourself, who belief its only for muslims only, and I have met plenty of muslims like mine who believe zakat is for the poor, period. The quran constantly has references of pluralism and helping non muslims and muslims alike, its all about interpretation, and so the idea is not that you are right, or that I am right, or either is right, but that there is not one version that islam says, but us the believers and readers interpret it in our own way. So yes, we believe in giving charity, nad I would like to help people especially since I do have descent in that place, but no I do not trust zirdari and the current govt, they don't speak for islam although they pretend to keep their authority, different argument, but yea just wanted to clarify
Yea its true, the paki govt is just ridiculously hopeless at this point, its sad everyone ran out Musharaff bc he was a dictator, some illusion of democracy was needed, democracy only works if the people are informed and educated. Without that, peoples' decisions can be easily manipulated, so now we have a convicted crook in our head office....the dictator was better off and he had a pluralist understanding of islam and a push for education which will set up democracy for the next generation
Dennis Ramadan was a hell of a rebounder, though I never cared much for all his piercings and pink hair. DD
