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Where's the defense?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by RedRedemption, Aug 11, 2010.

  1. TheRealist137

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    Brooks, Martin, and Budinger CANNOT be on the floor at the same time.

    People act like the Rockets did not have a backup SG, what's wrong with Battier if we have Chase at backup SF?
     
  2. durvasa

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    Battier+Yao in starting lineup plus another training camp should improve the defense. I don't think we'll be an elite defensive team, but top 10 is possible.

    I think the Rockets have a shot at breaking the top 10 in offense and defense, but I don't see them being great (i.e. top 5) in either.
     
  3. leebigez

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    Lee is actually a good defender. He's not the long,passing lane type ariza is,but he's a good defender.
     
  4. Dave_78

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    I'll go further and say he is a better on the ball defender on the perimeter and a more consistent defender overall. People b**** that Trevor was forced to play SG at times because of the injuries, lack of depth at SG and too many SF so Morey goes out and solves all of those problems at once and now people cry?

    The only place I really see this hurting us is on the boards but not enough for me to dislike this deal.
     
  5. ThaShark316_28

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    This lineup would give up 87 points a game.
     
  6. joesr

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    you didnt watch him guard kobe???? everyone else, fine but guess who were playing 7 times if we get that far
     
  7. TheRealist137

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    and score 70...
     
  8. CXbby

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    You are asking this because we traded away Trevor Ariza?

    Don't get me wrong, I actually thought he was a good player for us. Not the experimental first half of the year, but the part when he played his natural position next to Martin. He was a good spot up shooter. A surprisingly underrated passer. Average slasher. And he played the passing lanes.

    Notice the last statement was, just that. A statement, not a judgment. Because every time he got a steal from playing the passing lanes, there was another time his defender blew right by him for his attempt. That is NOT defense. It's gambling.

    His actual man to man defense was extremely overrated. It was at best mediocre.
     
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  9. ThaShark316_28

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    yao would average 30, sir. :)
     
  10. leebigez

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    I know u won't take this the wrong way, but the legion of fans will. The rockets will never be a top 10 offense with yao playing big minutes unless he is play finisher vs play creator.

    The reason i say this is because he is a very needy player who kills the shot clock while trying to get him in his spot. He has ultra slow feet,which is to be expected, but everything he does is slow and calculating. Now i would prefer him to be a pick and pop guy off the ft line and off set the blocks to keep the baseline open for cutters and such. In the 4th,qt, he can start to get some positioning for scores. I do think the return brings them back to a top 10 defense,but top 10 offense is really out the question to me.
     
  11. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    What does that even mean? It seems that the people really high on Budinger are Morey and Adelman.

    I agree with them.

    DD
     
  12. CXbby

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    That depends on how you define top 10 offense. Top 10 in what? Yao is slow, so our pace may not dictate a top 10 in points per game. But what about offensive efficiency? That has nothing to do with how slow or methodical Yao is. In the end, PPG is irrelevant, because it is based on pace. And pace is irrelevant because it does not matter how many points you score, as long as it is more than your opponent.
     
  13. somenobody

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    I like this idea.

     
  14. pewpew

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    Nah, no wai battier+yao can improve our def rite now. i luv shane, but tbh his def is wai overrated and hes older, slower. (3 yrs ago hes underestimated lawl) And yao ming, i think hes done...even when hes healthy, he got easily killed by P&R. on the other hand, i think our offense could be really impressive if our lineup as BM, scola, budinger, martin, AB. now RA could show us wut he rly got.
     
  15. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    Could someone run this through babelfish for the good of the BBS?

    Thanks.


    DD
     
  16. Audioout

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    Why can't people get it through their thick skulls that Courtney Lee has a reputation as a great defender? How many times does it need to be said?

    Defensive players:

    Yao
    Shane
    Chuck
    Lee
    Jeffries

    Miller and Lowry aren't terrible either. Scola is okay depending who we play.

    How many defensive liabilities do we have?

    Hill
    Budinger
    Brooks
    Martin
    Maybe Scola?

    And a couple of them may likely get better.

    We will be fine. Maybe not top three defense but we will be fine.
     
  17. goyao11

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    Ariza was decent on defense only because of his length and athleticism. He was not elite because he had mediocre foot quickness and poor bball iq. Trevor will be spectacular on some plays and then get blown by on others.

    Lee is the opposite- he has great quickness and awareness, but has only okay length and athletic abilities. Lee will be consistently in the right place.

    I'd like to think of the two as Tayshaun vs Bruce Bowen, although neither ariza nor lee are as good.

    In the end, I think its a wash in terms of defensive impact.
     
  18. RedRedemption

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    Budinger imo isn't going to get much better than how he is right now...
     
  19. RedRedemption

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    How many of them are regular rotational players? (Not situational players.)

    Yao... Shane.

    Yao being injury prone and possibly going down again this season...
    Shane getting up there in years... not able to guard the best of the best anymore... at least not without help.
     
  20. DCkid

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    you crazy...there are not many "defensive stoppers" playing today. I would say less than there our teams in the NBA. If you can get a guy with some length to simply discourage shots or passes inside, get a hand in the passing lanes, poke a few balls away off the dribble, then that is good. Offensive players today are just too quick to consistently "stop" them.
     

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