[ClutchFans] BimaThug: Houston Rockets Salary Cap Update

What does "all out" mean to you? What would be an example of an "all out" move that you don't think Les Alexander would agree to?

 

Is there a difference between "all out" and "all in"?

 

No thanks, let's not deal in "What ifs".....I mean what a waste of time that would be....

But don't you wish you knew what Morey meant when he said the asking price for the number 2 pick by the Sixers was just too high?

Was it Brand's contract that was too much, or was it giving up too many players for a possible stud player like Evan Turner?

Anyway, we will never know whether it was assets or fear of years of Lux tax that stopped this move....

In this context, I think they are relatively the same.

DD

 

I thought the reprot (from someone going to a season ticket holder event, I think) was Houston agreed to take Brand but Sixers decided not to trade the pick even if it means they can dump a really bad contract.

Make sense, if the guy picked #2 ends up being special, Philly fans will never forgive the team for giving up the pick to save money, even if it's $50 mil.

 

From all reports C's are trying to trade the (retiring) contract of Sheed; JJ would, ostensibly, replace Posey (from their champ season). Net result, some $4mm of savings or so, X 2 = $8mm...but, would this interest DM the GM (and Owner Alexander)?

Of course, DM the GM has never been anywhere near C's in former players, rumors anything, so???

 

Yup, Morey said they had an offer on the table for the sixers pick that would have required us to eat a tremendous amount of salary .... read, the Elton Brand contract. the Sixers said no about 4 hours before the draft.

Sure, Morey could have fabricated that story, but I rather doubt he would go into such detail if he wanted to just perpetuate an inference that Les Alexander is willing to spend.

Except among a few posters here, I think most folks think that Les aint cheap or shy about making moves. Morey doesn't have to battle a bad perception of Les. (Drayton on the other hand....)

 

JJ is a high kWaLitY aThLeTe. Any team with cap space will trade for him! It's like the Camby trade.

 

Ariza going makes it even more likely they get under the cap.

DD

 

You just can't wait, can you? As if getting under the cap (if it happens) proves something. I've got news for you. If the Rockets get under the cap, without hurting the team, all it proves is that Morey is a sensational GM. That's it, nothing else.

 

I agree, totally agree.

I think this move makes the team better overall, and it makes it more flexible and saves the team money.

And there is nothing that is proven, so to speak, just pointing out how much things change.

I still believe the team would pay it, for the right player.......I just never believed that they would be paying it THIS year......unless they got that player.

Bima,

What does this trade do to the cap room now? If they jettisoned Harris and Johnson, where does that leave them in relation to the cap?

DD

 

No it doesn't, stop lying to yourself. I don't think trevor is a great player, but he has shown he can make a shot on the big stage, or a championship team. There is something to that no matter what the stats say. This could be as much about them feeling chase is a 3 vs trevor the ball player/salary dump which is what it is right now. This does not make the rockets better.

 

Playing Chase and Battier 48 minutes at the 3 is a whole lot better than playing Ariza/Battier 48 minutes at the 3. And Courtney Lee is superior to Jermaine Taylor as the backup 2 and Lee can actually play the 1. The trades saves us money, and it makes us better.

 

Stop being myopic....

Trevor added nothing that other SF's on the roster could do as well or better.

And with 3 other SF's that are NBA rotational players....one of them had to go.

And, I have been telling you for a long time they will not trade Battier until this year as he is an expiring deal and they need to know Yao's direction before moving forward as an organiztion.

They may need Batter, and Jeffries expirings to make a deal...Trevor had too much $$$ left on his contract and was exposed last year as nothing more than a role player.

Life is good....

DD

 

No, it doesn't. Budinger got plenty of run last year while "Ariza/Battier played 48 minutes at the 3". One of the biggest reasons mentioned for doing this trade is about the money involved -- that does NOTHING to make us better on the court. It may help us bring in a bigger contract down the line or it may not -- that's just SPECULATIVE. But when you're talking about right now, in a vacuum, is our team more talented with Lee than Ariza, the answer is no.

 

The answer is "YES"

You can't play 15 guys on the floor at the same time.

Ariza was 100% redundant, and he is weaker on D than Shane and Jeffries, and weaker on O than Budinger....

You would have a player on the bench that feels they should be playing....which is a chemistry risk...

And Martin is an injury risk....we needed a true backup SG, now we have one.

The Rockets got better today.....not in individual talent....but as a team...they got better.

DD

 

Any body knows how far we need to go to get under lux line?

 

so the rox remains a bit less than $2M above the tax line (assuming to cut Harris and Johnson) if I did my math correctly.

That leaves Chuck Hayes ($1.97M) to be the most likely tax casualty if we decides to maneuvre under...

 

I like the trade, but I have to say Ariza adds defense and athleticism when he's on court. You get defense in Battier, you get athleticism in Chase, but you dont get both when one of them is playing.

 

I agree, Chase needs to pick up his D, but Trevor's D was not all it was cracked up to be, he gambled a lot for steals but left the back door open all year long.

I was less than impressed with his defense....actually his overall game, glad we got something for him.

And at a position of need.

DD

 

all these posts make me believe that C-bud is a all-star already. lol