Were we better off the Detroit trade fell through?

Please say this load enough so people won't keep making threads about it.

 

Stop repeating this BS. The Rockets wanted Hamilton and Billups. Joe refused.

 

I like Easy but I absolutely hate it when people reference this borderline baseless rumor in the could/should have fashion.

Never mind the fact that the parameters of the actual deal were in question (see larsv8's post), but the fact of the matter is we were coming off a 55 win season, we had a healthy Yao back and we just added Artest. Simply stated: it was an "all in" mindset.

If you were honestly brave enough to mess with that then more power to ya. Mind you, this was all before McGrady's big nosedive too.

Hindsight, hindsight, hindsight......

 

if it was for Billups and Hamilton rockets would have pulled the trigger. But what's to bring this up again and again and again...Tmac's long gone and contender or not this team is competitive and fun to watch.

 

Stop saying the Rockets didn't want Billups and Hamilton. The Pistons website even says the Rockets wanted Billups and Hamilton.

http://www.nba.com/pistons/features/truebluepistons_100810.html

 

Then, why did you misrepresent the Detroit side in the poll, when you knew it was only for Billups.

 

The 2012 pick is looking like a low first rounder with all the Melo to the Knicks rumors.

 

We need to sell high on those picks before the end of this year, IMO.

The possibilty of Melo joining the Knicks is growing ever day he doesn't sign that extension.

 

I think the 2012 pick is at an all time low value now with the Melo rumors. Other GMs will be valuing the picks as if the Knicks will be a top 10 team(21st-30th pick).

Holding out until next year leaves open the possiblity that Melo gets injured, Melo changes his mind and signs an extension, or Amare gets injured again. Any of the 3 mentioned options would increase the value of the picks, especially if the Knicks are lottery team this year.

 

i'm a believer...

 

Melo aint gonna get injured though. He doesn't have a history of injuries.

 

Remember when LBJ was rumored to be joining Amare in NY? How did that turn out?

You don't sell low just because of rumors.

I'd rather keep the picks and have them be low first rounders in the end, then trade them now and have them become top 10 lottery picks. Who the hell would give up prime talent for those picks anyway?

 

You never know what's gonna happen. That's what they said about the last Denver star that left for NY, McDyess. Then, in his last year with Denver, he got a knee injury. The Knicks got a broken down former Denver Nugget star in 2003-04..

 

Comparing a deal that the other rejected, because they thought it was lopsided to an actual deal that happened because it met both parties's needs? Of course the lopsided rejected deal is gonna win. We don't need a poll to tell us that. It doesn't make sense. It's like saying you had a chance to sleep with Beyonce, but she said no. It doesn't count, since they were never gonna give it up.

Comparing a deal that was actually on the table to a trade that happened. It makes sense, because the Rockets were the ones doing the rejecting.

Billups deal would have the Rockets in the playoffs, last year. They wouldn't have gone anywhere with Yao out again. It would have been a short term benefit. The Rockets will have to blow it up or get another star next year anyway.

The NY deal gives us a chance at rebuilding with young talent, if the 2 picks are game changers.

 

I'm not so sure they would have pulled the trigger or if they did, I bet they would have involved a 3rd team to take one of those guys.

Sure they asked for Billups and Hamilton or Prince, but that doesn't mean that's a deal they were really going to take. The extent of how well known that trade offer was leads me to believe this was Daryl's way of setting Tmac's value high for the inevitable negotiating down of his value. If everyone in the league knows Daryl is asking for a lot for Tmac and then he calls up and gives you Tmac for Hill, two 1st rounders, and Jefferies - your going to think it's an absolute steal until the next season when you realize Tmac was broken beyond repair and keeping Jefferies on the payroll wouldn't have been so bad to keep 3 years of lotto picks.

...the other reason I think we wouldn't have actually taken that deal is I don't honestly think Houston would have taken back both Hamilton AND Billups rather large contracts late into their career. That's a very un-Morey like thing to do - take on long contracts when players are entering a statistical decline. Considering those guys would have put us waayyyy into luxury tax for several years, the deal would have stunk for a while. Plus Martin is younger, cheaper, and more productive on the court than Hamilton. Billups would have been great - but I don't think he would have made much of a difference with Yao out for over a year and he has to be slowing down at this point.

I'm glad things ended up the way they did - we have a strong base, are still very competitive, and will only get better each year as we add new pieces from these lotto picks.

 

Had the Detroit deal gone down, Billups' and Hamilton's huge contracts (over $29 million together) coupled with Yao's would be taking up most of our cap space, which means we probably couldn't afford our current supporting cast.

Martin obviously would not have been here, but Scola and Lowry would probably not have been re-signed (would Lowry have even been brought in?), and instead of Ariza and Miller, we might have cheaper alternatives.

If we assume Yao had the same injuries and these past two seasons would've turned out similarly either way, would we NOW be better going into this season with a Big Three of:

-Yao coming off surgery
-a slightly declining Billups and
-a declining Hamilton (with three more years on his contract)

with a much thinner overall roster?

 

That Iggy and Dalembert trade would have done wonders for last years team.

 

but wasn't it said that there was a deal with the Kings first to get Martin for Landry then New York gave in with the deadline approaching to get Tmac's contract? It was said the deal for Martin was already in place with or without New York being in on the trade. Just happen that New York got scared at lossing the opportunity to get Tmac's contract. That's when they finallly gave in and gave us what we wanted.