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Most/Least Xenophobic countries

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by da_juice, Aug 3, 2010.

  1. AroundTheWorld

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    Some older people do. It is also in the back of some people's minds and comes up when they lose to us in football (soccer). Then they call us the German tanks, etc.
     
  2. rockit

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    Really? Ever heard of Rekha? Bipasha Basu? Smita Patel? Kajol? List goes on and on :)

    Being of Pakistani descent, so Muslim and brown, I've honestly never had a problem anywhere. Japanese were some of the MOST friendly people during my 2 week stay there. Kenya, Malaysia and Morocco were the nicest and most accommodating.

    I am going to travel to Russia in about a months time, and for the first time, I'm nervous about how I'll be treated. I've heard horror stories, so let's see how it goes. Although, the Russians I know are pretty nice.
     
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    Air Langhi Contributing Member

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    All those actresses are pretty light skinned. The sell skin whiting creams, and in general when I am over there with my relatives they are bunch of haters.
     
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    rockbox Around before clutchcity.com

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    We hear more about the Germans because we are in the west but the Japanese treated everyone in Asia like how the Germans treated the Jews. Google search "the rape of Nanking" for just one incident.
     
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    ^wow, i had no idea. This got me to thinking... One always hears about the war crimes of germany and japan etc. but i doubt the people of those countries specifically are more inherently evil than the rest of the world, so what does it all come down to? Will all people behave this way when given the opportunity? Is it only the laws and societal norms that keep humankind from raping and killing unabated?
     
  6. AXG

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    The only other country I've been to is Mexico and they were nice people.
     
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    No. Is it different there? I was in Beijing, Xi'an, Guangzhou, and Hong Kong. Not sure what I reason I would have for going to small, inland china towns.
     
  8. arno_ed

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    This is actually an interesting point.
    I have some German friends who live in the Netherlands all do feel like people still blame them for the war. They really are uncomfortable during Liberation day and the day we remember the deaths in the WO2. Which I can understand, but I feel bad for them, they are not to blame for what happened 70 years ago. And like I have stated before the things that happened back than in Germany could happen in any country, If I see the support idiots like Wilders and Fortuyn get in the Netherlands when it is actually good in this country I can imagine what would happen if our situation got worse :(

    Most people from my generation do not blame the Germans for anything (ok we maybe blame them for the 1974 WC finals :mad:). I truly believe that the reason the Dutch want to see the Germans fail in sports is because of 1974 and because you are our more successful big neighbor country (just as Belgium want Us to lose at sports).
     
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    IMHo it all comes down to Circumstance. I believe every country has it in them to do the horrors that happened in WO2.

    The people that fought in those wars were people, not monsters like people want to think nowadays.

    One thing that I thought was interesting on this point was the movie "der untergang", it was a movie about Hitler, and there was a lot of commotion because Hitler was to much like a human. I watched the movie and the only friendly thing he did in the movie was comforting a secretary, and besides that he was a terrible person, but that was to humane for many people. People want to believe that the terrible things that happened in our past are done by monsters, which are not like normal humans. But the truth is most terrible things are done by normal humans, who just get in a certain situation, where a charismatic person tells them something, and they do not have to think for themselves. Furthermore many of these people just followed orders, and that is something many people do, it is easy to follow orders because you do not have to think, and you are not the person responsible

    Like I said in my previous post, the way some "charismatic" people became popular in the Netherlands, in a time when everything was going well, just by blaming a certain group of people scares me. What would those people support if things were not going well?
     
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    I think it's a stretch to compare Fortuyn and Wilders to Hitler. In fact, I do believe that while Hitler was racist, xenophobic and about restricting freedom among many other terrible things, Wilders is not racist, not generally xenophobic and about defending freedom. Certainly populist, but just because he calls out some things and fights people who he thinks are about taking away freedoms does not mean he is like Hitler or would ever be like Hitler. If you look at Hitler's history, he actually said many things early on he stood for later. Wilders is nowhere even near that. Some islamo-fascist leaders are much more comparable to Hitler than Wilders is.
     
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    I know we do not agree with each other on many points concerning Islam, and that is ok. However you are wrong about Wilders.
    he is a racist (ok maybe not calling a race lesser than another, but he does call a big group of people less than other, solely based on their religion). He is a xenophobe; there is just no other way of putting it. But both these points are debatable. However what is not debatable is that he does NOT defend Freedom. You cannot defend freedom when at the same tame you want to BAN the many of the religious habits and the holy book of a certain religion. He want freedom for those who he believe are "real" dutchmen (where have we heard that before).

    The things I hate about wilders are that he tries to look like a defender of freedom when in fact he only want to defend the freedom of speech concerning Islam. He gets terribly upset when people compare him to Hitler or say that he is bad for the country, But he is allowed say that the Islam is a danger for our society :rolleyes:. he is very hypocritical.

    The other thing I dislike is that he is not trying to find a solution, he only want to alienate certain groups. Which in the end can only lead to more problems not solutions. So there are two options, either he is stupid (which I do not think he is), or he doesn't care about what happens in this country as long as he gets fame and power.

    People are allowed to have another opinion than me, but we should look for solutions for problems. And Wilders does not do that.

    I agree that Wilders and Fortuyn are not like Hitler in many ways. I do not see either of them (if Foruyn was alive) do the things that happened in the WW2 But my main point was that if people support his blaming a certain group of people for all the problems when it is going pretty good in our country (especially with Fortuyn), what will happen if a more idiotic person shows up when things are going badly.
     
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    http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/na...-are-not-illegal/story-e6frf7l6-1225903352637

    Redneck culture is sadly pretty pertinent outside of the larger cities.

    A MAGISTRATE has ruled the terms 'sandn---r' and 'ni---r' not offensive to a reasonable person.

    Queensland magistrate Michael O'Driscoll made the ruling yesterday when he dismissed a case against a Gold Coast retiree charged with sending an offensive facsimile to a local politician.

    A staff member working for Broadwater MP Peta-Kaye Croft complained to police after receiving the document from 62-year-old Denis Mulheron of Labrador on June 30 last year, the Gold Coast Bulletin reports.

    Christie Turner, 28, told Southport Magistrates Court she was deeply offended when she read the one-page fax which called on the Labor Party to tighten immigration laws against "n----rs" and "sandn----r terrorists" and Muslim women with circumcised genitals.

    The fax also made reference to indigenous Australians as 'Abos'.

    Mr Mulheron told the court he believed he was using 'everyday English' in the fax.

    He said he had grown up with the slang terms for Arabs and black Africans and did not believe they were offensive.

    "I'm not a member of the cafe, chardonnay and socialist set ... to me that is everyday language," he said.

    Ms Turner said to her, as a young woman, Mr Mulheron's words were both offensive and disturbing.

    "There are appropriate ways to express opinions about immigration policies and this was not one of them," she said.

    Mr Mulheron was charged with using a carriage service, namely a fax machine, to menace, harass or offend - a offence which carries a maximum penalty of three years in jail.

    After lengthy consideration, Mr O'Driscoll ruled that Mr Mulheron's words were not enough to invoke criminal sanctions.

    "The words used were crude, unattractive and direct but were not offensive to a reasonable person," he said.

    But he made it clear the court in no way condoned Mr Mulheron's comments.
     
  13. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    I think the problem is with the wording of the law. Sure those are offensive terms, but I don't think a man should go to jail for three years for sending a fax that includes them.
     

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