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Rashard, Trades and Bird Right Question

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Rocket Freak, Jul 5, 2000.

  1. Rocket Freak

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    From what I have been reading in here, we can't outright sign him because Seattle can offer him more money than we can.

    Is it feasible for Rashard to demand a trade to the Rockets? Seattle would atleast get something for him.

    Are Bird rights transferable if a player is traded?

    I don't want to hear about why we can't get him. I would like to hear all of the scenarios that can result in Rashard wearing a Rocket's uni next year.

    Does Rudy even want him? I haven't heard that answered before. We obviously didn't want him at all on draft day because we passed THREE times on him.
     
  2. The Cat

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    Of course Rudy would want him. He was 4th on the Rockets draft list on draft night- just so happened the first three were still there.

    If Rashard wants to go to Houston, he CAN make it happen, or at least has a good shot at it. He can essentially hold the Sonics hostage, and say "trade me to Houston, or I walk to Toronto." Now of course some of you will respond with a question like why would Seattle take on our extra salary instead of perhaps just letting Rashard walk and saving cap room. The answer? They don't have to. We can trade them the trade exception and 1 or 2 of our future first round draft picks, which would not hurt them cap wise. And it does make sense, even though Houston is in Seattle's conference, for the Sonics to take the trade exception and 1 or 2 first rounders instead of just letting him walk. It is unlikely, but there certainly is a chance that if Rashard really wants to be a Rocket, he can make something happen.

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  3. davo

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    The only, read ONLY realistic way we can possibly get Rashard Lewis for this coming season is if Seattle agree to a sign and trade. As per your request Rfreak, I won't go into any of the reasons why this won't happen or why Seattle may not want to do this. Other possible (and I use the term loosely) scenarios could include:-

    * Rashard signing an offer sheet with Houston for the max we could offer of $2.2Mil(Mid level exception) and Seattle, momentarily losing all sight of reason, choosing not to match it.
    * Seattle renouncing their rights to him. Rashard signing to above referenced Mid Level exception with Houston.

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  4. NIKEstrad

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    just 15 days is all that would be needed [​IMG]

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  5. MManal

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    davo, how about this third scenario. Houston offers the 2.2 mil exception for a 1 yr deal. Seattle matches it. Then in the summer of 2001, Houston signs Lewis with their cap room to the 9 mil max salary.

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  6. JuanValdez

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    9 million does seem a bit extreme to give a guy that averaged only 8 points a game last season.

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  8. The Cat

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    His points don't matter- how is he supposed to get more than 8 points a game if he plays 19 minutes a game? He is still developing, you can't base a buy like that on stats. 9 million now seems a bit extreme, but wait until you guys see him next season. I personally think he will be worth it after next season when he gets the minutes. Heck, if we are going by points, Jonathan Bender averaged 1 point per game last year. Are you telling me you wouldn't give him money? (not 9 million at this point) Matt Bullard scores 7 points a game. Does he deserve to be payed 7 times Bender? Is he better than Bender? No. When talking young developing players, leave stats out of it- they are completely irrelevant.

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  9. New Jack

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    There's no question Rashard does have an abundance of talent and he very well could wind up being worth 9 million, but he's still an unproven player in my book until he plays major minutes and scores major points for an entire season.

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  10. MManal

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    Yup exactly The Cat, if Lewis continues to develop like he is, with increased PT next season, he could pull down something like the max 9 mil salary in the summer of 2001. If he shows the star potential that many feel he possesses, with a solid season next yr, I could easily see him commanding something like that on the open market. This is why I think he and his agents should go for a 1 yr deal instead of committing to a 2 yr deal for 8.4 mil.

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    Bullard is better than Bender RIGHT NOW Bender's time will come (maybe) but as of right at this moment Bullard's experience and shooting ability are way ahead of Bender's.

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  12. Launch Pad

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    Hmmm, paying a player a huge salary based on potential . . . hmmm, that sounds familiar *cough* Cato *cough* . . . [​IMG]



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    Boy, I sure am glad you guys are not the ones handing out the checks. Rashard Lewis will never be worth the maximum. He will never be a superstar, no matter how much you want to sugarcoat it. What he will be is a very solid role player which isn't bad at all. I could easily see him averaging 18 points a game [off of the strengths of the stars around him] in his best years...but that is NOT WORTH the maximum.

    Rashard simply does not have the tools to be a superstar/be paid like a superstar. He has below average ball handling skills, so he can't create much off the dribble like a Grant Hill. He doesn't have great inside footwork/knack for scoring inside like the dominant big men in the game. Rashard is an excellent shooter, he runs the floor well, and can score by doing some of the dirty work (EG: if he is at the power forward, he can beat his man to the ball).

    Rashard would be a perfect fit for this current Rocket team, with his shooting ability, but not at $9million.

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    There is another way we could aquire him though. He could sign with say the Clipps and we then would trade for him. Thus the Clips would only gain from this sort of transaction. I'm not too sure how many other teams are under the cap enough to outbid Seattle so I just stuck with the Clipps.

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    Scarface,

    If it happens August 01, that allows Rashard to make training camp in October 01 (does the 60 day rule apply to 2nd year players?).

    That's an awfully long time, though to ask someone to be a Clipper. Besides, if we're using the Clippers anyway for a 60 day trade... it may as well be Duncan. [​IMG]

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  16. RT45

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    You must wait three months or until Dec. 15 to trade a FA plus the Rockets and who ever the other team involved, are not a allowed to do a deal for another team's free agent.

    Face the facts people, we will not land Rashard Lewis.

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    You must wait three months or until Dec. 15 to trade a FA plus the Rockets and who ever the other team involved, are not a allowed to do a deal for another team's free agent.

    Face the facts people, we will not land Rashard Lewis.

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  18. davo

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    Yes Mmanal, your third scenario would work next year, not this year as my post stated. Of course, he would lose Bird status if he left Seattle as a free agent in 2001 and we would have to sign him to an exception or under the cap.

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