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Questions about Internships

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  1. wreck

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    I am a senior and my major is Computer Information Systems. I applied and received an offer for an internship, unfortunately it is unpaid. That means I will have to continue to work at my night job at least 4 or 5 days a week.

    For the internship I will have to work about 20-25 hours a week and I can use it as course credit for this semester and if I stick around, I will be able to use it next semester. The company does business solutions to small and medium size businesses.

    How important is it to get an internship for my type of major? Has anyone had experience with Field Experience classes? Was the workload of the class itself too much. I don't want to bite off more than I can chew. But I also don't want to let a good opportunity go.

    Thanks in advance
     
  2. DonkeyMagic

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    i'm not in that field, but an internship is very important. It gives you a glimpse of what the professional world is like, which could help you decide what you want to focus on and stay away from.

    It's also very valuable when job searching for your first gig. Plus, if you do well, you are pretty much guaranteed to be offered a job at the place you interned.
     
  3. RV6

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    i dont know about your major specifically, but if you really need to work i'd say try to find a job in the same field, even if it's not doing the exact same thing as you would be in your internship, gain some experience while getting a paycheck. I dont think it would hurt you much, since you'll still have valuable experience, especially if you have good grades.
     
  4. dharocks

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    I personally wouldn't take a pro-bono job if I could help it, but if it's your only internship opportunity, you should probably go for it. How many other places have you applied to? Pay aside, would this be the ideal situation for you?
     
  5. Mulder

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    Yes, internships are important. They are one of the ways that students make the transition from student to employee. Think of it as an extended interview.

    However, I have a personal problem with unpaid internship when the purpose of the internship is less about teaching and more about work. Good news is that the Department of Labor is starting to wake up to this fact as well.

    http://www.pacific.edu/x14113.xml

    Pursuant to this law, the U.S. Department of Labor (DOL) has developed six criteria for differentiating between an employee entitled to minimum wage or above and a learner/trainee who may be unpaid. The criteria for learner/trainee are:

    1. The training, even though it includes actual operations of the facilities of the employers, is similar to that which would be given in a vocational school.
    2. The training is for the benefit of the student.
    3. The student does not displace a regular employee, but works under the close observation of a regular employee or supervisor.
    4. The employer provides the training and derives no immediate advantage from the activities of the student; and on occasion, the operations may actually be impeded by the training.
    5. The student is not necessarily entitled to a job at the conclusion of the training period.
    6. The employer and the student understand that the student is not entitled to wages for the time spent training.

    Not all six factors have to be present in order for the individual to be considered a trainee. The experience, however, should look more like a training/learning experience than a job.

    Employers often question the fourth criterion -- that the employer derives no immediate benefit from the student's activities. This seems to contradict the contemporary practice of the use of internships by employers and colleges. To make the experience educationally valid, the same way that a student working in a college laboratory is expected to become actively involved in the work at hand, an intern is expected to participate actively in the work of the company. Several DOL rulings, while not directly addressing the criterion, seem to suggest that as long as the internship is a prescribed part of the curriculum, is part of the school's educational process, and is predominately for the benefit of the student, the fact that the employer receives some benefit for the student's services does not make the student an employee for purposes of wage and hour law.

    An internship site should be able to answer "yes" to at least half the following questions if an unpaid internship is being contemplated:

    1. Is the work that you are offering an integral part of the student's course of study?
    2. Will the student receive credit for the work or is the internship required for graduation?
    3. Does the student have to prepare a report of his/her experience and submit it to a faculty supervisor?
    4. Have you received a letter or some other form of written documentation from the school stating that the internship is approved/sponsored by the school as educationally relevant?
    5. Will the student perform work that other employees also perform, with the student doing the work for the purpose of learning and not necessarily performing a task for the employer?
    6. Is the student working and providing benefit to you less than 50 percent of the time and/or is the student in a shadowing/learning mode?
    7. Will you provide an opportunity for the individual to learn a skill, process, or other business function, or operate equipment?
    8. Is there educational value to the work performed, that is, is it related to the courses the person is taking in school?
    9. Is the individual supervised by one of your staff members?
    10. Is it clear that a job is not guaranteed upon completion of the training or completion of the person's schooling?

    # Source: Rochelle K. Kaplan, Legal Counsel, National Association of Colleges and Employers, 62 Highland Ave., Bethlehem, PA 18017, (800) 544-5272 Ext. 10
     
  6. DarkHorse

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    Professional experience goes a lot further in the IT industry than academic experience, although I think having a degree definitely helps.

    Even though the internship is unpaid you can definitely count it as your professional experience, and it should definitely make it easier to land a full-time job. Also, companies often hire interns that perform well, so it's a great way to get your foot in the door. (that's how I got my first job, although my internship was paid)
     
  7. wreck

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    The University has a site that lists several internships. So it was pretty much the first one that I applied for. But you are correct I should look around.
     
  8. wreck

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    Thanks I just looked through it. Really helpful. I found this internship through my University so it is approved for course credit.

    I am questioning whether I will be doing something relevant to my major or just tech support which would be a waste of time. The guy that I talked to mentioned that I will be doing a lot of that which would make this internship irrelevant. He mentioned something about dealing with Outlook. I may just be getting suckered into a job while giving them a free worker.
     
  9. Mulder

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    If you can learn from it, it works as experience on your resume, you make connections, and it possibly leads to a job, I say go for it.
     
  10. wreck

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    Thanks. I think you're right and looking at job postings, I need at least 1 year experience before I get a real job that pays well.
     

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