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The Religious Left: one quarter of dems think Jesus will return by 2050

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  1. basso

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    1/4 of dems believe Jesus will definitely return in 40 years, vs. just under 1/5 of republicans. numbers reversed if you change the question to probably return.

    interestingly, all most all of that difference seems to be made up of black and hispanic voters.

    [rquoter]One-fourth of Democrats think Jesus will ‘definitely return’ in 40 years
    By: Matthew Sheffield
    Washington Examiner

    Thanks to the Pew Research Center, we now may have an idea who is buying up all those “Left Behind” books. Many of them appear to be … Democrats?

    Yes, that’s right. As part of a larger survey about Americans’ predictions for the next 40 years, just over 1,500 people were asked whether they thought that Jesus Christ would return to the earth during that timeframe.

    Interestingly enough, it is self-identified Democrats who appear to have more certitude that this will happen than Republicans.

    According to the poll, 26% of Democrats believe that the Second Coming “will definitely” happen within the next four decades. In comparison 19% of Republicans believe this.

    Among those who think Jesus will probably return to earth in 40 years, there are more GOPers than Democrats. Just under a quarter (24%) of Republicans believe this will happen compared to 18% of Democrats who predict this. Independents are least likely compared to members of both parties to believe in Jesus’ imminent return.

    By the way, the partisan breakdown on this question was not in the general report on the Center’s website. The info above was emailed to me in response to a question I had after spotting an item by New York Times columnist Charles Blow on a group that is rarely mentioned in by America’s journalists, the religious left:

    According to a Gallup report issued last Friday, church attendance among blacks is exactly the same as among conservatives and among Republicans. Hispanics closely follow. Furthermore, a February Gallup report found that blacks and Hispanics, respectively, were the most likely to say that religion was an important part of their daily lives. In fact, on the Jesus question, nonwhite Democrats were roughly twice as likely as white Democrats to believe that He would return to earth by 2050.

    Add to this the fact that, according to the 2009 Gallup report, 20 percent of the Democratic Party is composed of highly religious whites who attend church once a week or more, and you quickly stop second-guessing the Second Coming numbers.

    Welcome to the Religious Left, which will continue to grow as the percentage of minorities in the country and in the party grows.

    People often ask whether the Republican Party will have to move to the left to remain viable. However, the question rarely asked is whether the growing religiosity on the left will push the Democrats toward the right.
    Kudos to Blow for looking beyond the press release and pondering a question that no doubt is uncomfortable for many a secular Democrat. There is bound to be a significant amount of tension between the more secular white Democrats and the more religious non-white Democrats in the years to come, especially as minority Democratic politicians emerge as political powerhouses of their own without help from the mostly white union and current Democratic leadership structures.

    A tip of the hat also to the must-read blog Secular Right for bringing the Blow column to my attention.[/rquoter]


    Read more at the Washington Examiner: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/o...eturn-in-40-years-98931644.html#ixzz0uQBuRgGr
     
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    Those results don't make sense. How can a larger percentage of Democrats think Jesus will definitely return by 2050 than probably return?

    Edit: Perhaps those results were from the same question? If so , overall, 44% of Democrats think its likely that Jesus will return by 2050, and 43% of Republicans think it will happen. That's nuts, if true.
     
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    I'm not surprised. As you mentioned, its the Hispanic and African American block that is more overtly religious than the remainder of the Democratic party adherents.

    If the republicans werent so dogmatic on a few issues and effectively managed their own PR, I'm sure they'd have already gained a large percentage of that voting block by now.

    That, imho, is the biggest threat facing democrats and democratic politics in the next decade- so many of their major personalities are antagonistic towards religion that they risk losing that portion of their base to republicans who are, by and large, considered to be firmer when it comes to religion.

    In general, I always find discussions like these a little unfair. Cheap cynicism aimed at any religious group, be they Christians, Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, etc. accomplishes nothing. Just my 2 cents.
     
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    i don't know if i agree with that. i think often with religion any sort of contrarian opinion gets quickly labeled as "cheap cynicism," and i don't think that's fair. discussions are good, as long as they're civil.
     
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    Leave it to basso to take a religious topic and sprinkle a lil race on it.
     
  7. basso

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    one could make the same point about politics.
     
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    Opiate of the masses.
     
  9. HorryForThree

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    I'm surprised to hear that sentiment. As far as my readings go, I've never heard anyone really call out "cheap cynicism" beyond right-wing fanatics who dont hold much credibility with the masses. In fact, most of the time I've seen little beyond 'piling on' certain religious groups for their beliefs.

    I dont think any religion is beyond reproach, but the question is whether or not those criticisms are productive towards enciting a real discussion or are simply "cheap cynicism" that condascendingly looks at religiously-minded individuals as intellectually inferior to their non-religionist counterparts.

    I'm not a Christian, but I have to say that this mentality is very evident when it comes to the way many people discuss Christianity. And its even more evident when you read discussions on Islam, particularly by conservatives.
     
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    inciting*
     
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    I thought the world is ending in 2012

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    Do you find this to be just an interesting bit of information or do you have an opinion on this?
     
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    80% of the country is Christian I last heard. Add in even more that are religious. The country isnt 80% Republican or conservative.

    Not sure what to make of this article posting and its findings. Other than maybe people don't marginally label themselves AS much as we think they do by party affiliation. Or perhaps its telling that Republicans have won just a small percentage of those people who you'd figure would be swing votes.
     
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    or that religion isn't quite so intrinsic to "republicanism" as the democrats and journolisters would have one believe.
     
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    I'm not sure where you are getting that from. Its long been acknowledged that there are devout religious people, even fundamentalist, in both parties. Consider that it is Reverend Jesse Jackson.
     
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    "The reason people use a crucifix against vampires is that vampires are allergic to bull****." - Richard Pryor. :grin:
     
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    Republicans are the ones that attempt to claim exclusive moral authority through the Bible. There has always been - and is a growing - Christian Left. It has been talked about in many places, including on this very board. Alas, that would require you reading threads instead of just posting stuff.

    Why is that interesting?
     

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