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Nets Wanted Scola

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Niaperzly, Jul 22, 2010.

  1. RAID

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    this is the first time i've heard of a signing bonus for bball
     
  2. JuanValdez

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    55 ML, WOW, that just doesn't sound right.
     
  4. Easy

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    Looks like the front-loading in the alleged Nets offer was designed to discourage a Houston match. Smart move on the Nets part, and smarter move on Morey's part for signing Scola outright rather than waiting for the offer match.
     
  5. dreamrockets

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    While I know that Scola is a great guy and is very loyal to this Rockets Team. Here are some other (minor) reasons that he chose us over Nets, leaving 17m on the table:
    1. With houston, he could have some deals with Chinese Companies. This will probably give him 1m/year (at least?).
    2. There is no state tax in Texas. For Scola's income, could be around 10% in New Jersey or New York. Thats a saving of 1m/year. Combine 1 and 2, that's a total of at least 10m.
    3. His family has been in Houston for 3 years, and I bet they love it here.
    4. Houston presented the offer and Nets had not. Anything could happen.
     
  6. BMoney

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    Your consistent wrong-ness is awe inspiring!
     
  7. AKRocketsFan

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    Bottom Line is Scola has loyalty and wanted to be a Rocket and be a part of what he and the other guys have started here under Adelman.
    Brad Miller is a smart man and saw that not only would he fit in here best, but this was probably his best chance of getting a ring in the next couple of years. He could have played many places, because legit 7 footers are a luxury in this league.
     
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    This is the best year to be a FA. Teams have a lot money and they want to do something to please the fans.

    It actually became quite obvious when Morey was unable to buy 2nd rounders with cash unlike the years before.
     
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    Imaging the chaos around here if Scola had gotten that contract and we didn't match... *shudder*
     
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    I don't care what anyone says ... DM knows what he's doing.
     
  11. aelliott

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    He didn't leave leave $17M on the table. The proposed NJ deal was $55m and he signed a $47m deal.

    Go back and re-read the ESPN report " $55 million contract that included a $9.5". Notice that it says "included", not "in addition to". The signing bonus would have put more money in Scola's hands in the first year of the deal and to make it more painful for Houston to match.
     
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    LMAO apparently you don't know Luis Scola very well. I'm sure he was aware that Nets would have offered him a similar or even better deal when the Rockets offered him a contract. I bet Scola didn't even hesitate a second and signed the offer sheet anyway. The guy just bleeds rocket red, and that's why he's my favorite player on the team.
     
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    I used the same trick and got a 30% salary raise. :grin:
     
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    All posters have to do is follow me and listen to what i say. Morey didnt dodge a bullet nor did he sign a great deal because of get r dun. What happened is the nets were basically going to give scola a 5 yr deal starting at 7.5m and give him 8% increases per year and run it backwards. The rockets basically gave him a 4 yr deal starting at 7.7m with 10% increases with a partial on the last year. That and the foreign influence made morey jump quicker and thats what i said a week or so ago.

    Posters questioned whether scola would have signed a 4yr deal starting at 7.5m and 8% if the rockets would have offered it first vs skirt chasing bosh. I believe the rockets were planning on sitting back and waiting on an offer to match, but with the cap going up vs down and teams having extra market, they had extra money. Truthfully, i like scola and all, but if nj would have put that deal together, it might have been better to sign and trade him for an exception. I'm glad he's back and he will do what scola do.
     
  15. EffTheJazz!!!

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    Yep.. thats pretty much every "Insider" report about the Rockets. :rolleyes:
     
  16. psingh34

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    when people say they took less money.. they mean they could have gotten more money from miami, since they came over in a sign and trade .. they could have gotten the full max.. but they chose to get paid less from miami so that miami could field a team around them.
     
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    if we were to lose scola .. who would our power forward be? also little thing u should know about salary cap .. you cant take on a players salary in exchange for a player if you are not under the cap.. so even if the rockets had gotten a trade exception, since they are roughly over the cap by 11 million dollars with scola.. without scola they would still be over the camp and thus couldnt just use their trade exception to get a player.. rockets have had a trade exception b4 that they have basically let expire so it doesnt gurantee a player .. signing a player for roughly his worth (maybe its 2 million extra at most) is the better way to go
     
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    Your post seems to be saying that a team over the cap can't use a TE to acquire a player which isn't true. Here's Larry Coon's definition of a salary cap exception:

    The basic rule of the salary cap is that a team's team salary may not be above the cap at any time unless the team is using an exception. In a system with a soft cap, an exception is the mechanism that allows a team to function while above the cap.

    http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#Q19


    A "Trade Exception" is a type of "Salary Cap Exception" so it allows teams to add salary above the cap. A trade exception is just like the MLE, if a team is below the cap then the exceptions count against their cap. That means that a team can either have cap space or a TE (or a MLE ) but not both.

    Phoenix's offseason moves were a perfect example. The way things ended up, they first signed and traded Amare and received a large TE (because they were still over the cap). They then used a piece of that TE to acquie Warrick from Chicago.

    The reason that teams often don't use their TE is because it adds salary to a team that is already over the cap. Many times, using the TE would push a team over or farther over the Luxury tax line and therefore esentially cost the team double the players salary so it goes unused.

    I think that you were trying to point out that the TE can't be used to sign a free agent, which is true, but it's easily accomplished by doing the deal by signing and trading for the player rather than outright signing them. See Phoenix's acquisition of Warrick this summer.

    Likewise you technically can't use a TE if you are packaging multiple players, but there's ways around that in some cases too. You can read Coon's FAQ if you want the details ,but in short, the Rockets used a TE in the McGrady / Francis trade which involved multiple players on both sides. Interestingly, they also generated an additional TE for themselves in the deal...very creative.
     
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    thank god for morey
     
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    Leebigez, you are so wrong. Lowering the starting salary for the Nets to make it lower than the Rocket's starting salary. :rolleyes:

    Here is what a 7.5 mil deal with 8% raises would be. It's only 43.5 mil. It's not even close to 55 mil. 8% raises would be $600k($7,500,000X0.08=$600,000) each year.

    7500000 1st year
    +810000(7500000+600000) 2nd year
    +8700000(8100000+600000) 3rd year
    +9300000(8700000+600000) 4th year
    +9900000(9300000+600000) 5th year
    =$43.5 mil.
     
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