Sun is interested in Drew

I would trade Walt and Drew for Rogers or Marion. To dump salaries and get a great player. I dont know if Id want to give up KT though.

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Shawn Marion is going to be near to impossible to get from the Suns. However, I think the Rockets could have an outside chance of getting Rodney Rogers.

There is a drawback to this though. If the Rockets packaged Walt Williams, Bryce Drew and Kenny Thomas, they could possibly get Rodney Rogers but would have to take on an unfavorable contract in Rex Chapman. Chapman made 3.15 mil last season and is signed through 2004. His 2001 salary is probably 12% or so higher than his 2000 salary, but there has not been any info yet on that.

The question to ask, would you rather take the chances of getting Chris Webber and pass on a deal like this or just take Rogers now and continue to build through the draft? The Rockets would be able to sign a middle tier FA in 2001 if they made this deal but would not be able to sign an elite player like Chris Webber.

If the Rockets made this deal, they would have Francis, Anderson, Rogers, Collier, Cato starting with Norris, Mobley, Langhi, C Rogers, Olajuwon off the bench. They could go into the 2001 draft and try to find a stud wing player like Terence Morris which would move Rogers onto the bench and give them some serious depth. They would also probably have enough cap room to pickup a vet FA like a Horace Grant.

The other option is to pass all this and take the chance on landing Chris Webber in 2001. Its a tough decision both ways b/c Rodney Rogers would be a nice pickup for this team however if they did beat the odds and landed Webber, that would be dynamite.

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I think we can get something good for Drew, but we need to be strategic when going about it. We need to play him a lot at the Rocky Mountain Review and play him even more in the pre-season. He will prove himself to those teams that are interested. Then we ship him off. We've got to make believe that he fits into our plans, otherwise, we get nothing. It's a game. And it can work.




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Cato, Drew and 2 first rounders
for Marion, Chapman and Tsakalidas?

I think the Suns would do this to get Cato, who has shown effective against Shaq. If the Suns had Kelvin and a healthy Kidd this year they would have beaten the Lakers. They are a veteran team and don't want to wait around for Tsakalidas to develop. They don't really need Marion too much with Robinson, Rogers and Googs at the forward spots.

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oeilpere,

Do you think that the Rockets could pull off a deal with the Clippers for one of their 3 SF's or would they even want to?

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In general, we don't want to acquire older players. The only exception might be older players (e.g., 27+) who are tall and talented so they will remain effective 6 or so more years (e.g., Webber next year). We have to think about players who are going to peak, at least be very, very effective, when Francis, Mobes, Anderson, KT & Cato peak. Hopefully Collier can join this list too.

In addition to basic philosophy, I don't want Rogers that much either. He is a slightly more effective and much stronger version of Walt. He is a small forward who is a great scorer, who is also too slow for quicker 3s, and too small to play 4s defensively. He is an ideal offensive spark plus off the bench (current role with Suns), but you don't want to start Rogers.

Now if we are talking Marion (he is one of the few guys I would be interested in off the Suns), then we have a debate. I agree it would be hard to get him. But I would consider KT, Drew + our Milwalkee pick next year. That is not a bad package. If they demanded our own pick instead of Milw next year I might do it too (partly because with Marion our draf would look so much better this year an the 8th spot, and high teens draft pick, might not be such a stretch).

If Marion isn't a possibility in talks, I don't see why we should bother talking with Phoenix. Unless they just want to give us 2 second rounder for Drew alone--but then I think the salary cap interferes.


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I don't see why people would be so upset about losing Williams and Thomas for Rodney Rogers. And I also don't know what all this talk about Rogers being a weak defender is... I know he had a few troubles guarding SHAQ in the playoffs, but hey who didn't? And I'm pretty sure that the Rockets wouldn't be asking Rogers to guard centers - he'd spend most time at SF and I imagine some time at PF. There's no doubt that Rogers has quicker feet and better lateral movement than Williams and there's no doubt he's a better defender at the SF spot. There's also no doubt that he's stronger and a better post defender than Thomas, and Rogers may even be taller than KT...
Offensively nobody can deny that Rogers can do anything that either Williams or Thomas do and more! Plus he's a much better rebounder and has a desire to go after the offensive glass

So why would Phoenix do the trade? Maybe for depth? Robinson and Marion figure to start (it remains to be seen how well Googs recovers from his injury...) - and the suns could use some backup for the forward spots. Sure Rogers gave them that, but by taking Thomas they would get a much younger player who will be able to serve them for a number of years, and in Walt they get an experienced outside gunner. But most importantly (for Phoenix) is that they get a significant upgrade over Randy Livingston to backup Kidd.

Of course to make this happen we would need to see if Phoenix are actually interested in Drew (it was his agent that said he would have to speak to Phoenix and the press blew that up to mean that Phoenix was interested...)


And on another note (slightly unrelated) - we owe our OWN first round pick to Vancouver next year or the year after - we CANNOT convey someone else's first round pick to them.

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From Francis' NBA.com bio:

Selected by the Vancouver Grizzlies in the first round (second pick overall) of the 1999 NBA Draft. Draft rights traded by the Grizzlies along with F Tony Massenburg to the Houston Rockets as part of three-way deal in which the the Grizzlies received G Michael Dickerson, F/C Othella Harrington, G Brent Price, F/C Antoine Carr and a future first-round draft choice from the Rockets, Rockets received F Don MacLean and a future first-round draft choice from the Orlando Magic, and the Magic received G Michael Smith, G/F Rodrick Rodes, G Lee Mayberry and F Makhtar Ndiaye from the Grizzlies on 8/27/99.

We've always thought the Orlando one was conditional, is it not? I've also thought the Vancouver pick was conditional.


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The more lefties on your team, the better.
Collier is Seven Foot and Left Handed. How can you go wrong?
Trade or bench Kenny Thomas.

 

Clutch-No one seems to have a clear answer. Do you know the time span the Orlando and Detroit picks are due?

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The more lefties on your team, the better.
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Trade or bench Kenny Thomas.

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Thanks Clutch.

One last question, what is the ending date for the Orlando pick? It doesn't cover it in there, is it also 04?

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drew isnt gonna get us much. i think drew/rogers for the suns 1st rounder next year and 2 future 2nd rounders is fine with me. gives rockets another 1st rounder to package, and next years draft is deep if they wanna keep it, or since its gonna be in the 20s will be a good pick to convey to vancouver. and rudy t always finds a good player in the 2nd round. i dont think drew/rogers have a place on the rockets, and they r little more than decent role players so they wont get som1 like rogers unless say cato was thrown in which i wouldnt do anyways.

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Well, this is not good. I was hoping that if Detroit lost Hill, the Rockets could get a potential top 5 selection and wind up with a steal but that does not appear to be the case. The only pick of real value that we have coming to us is the one from Milwaukee.

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yep. If it's 04, Detroit would have time to rebuild. On the bright side, Steven Hunter will be available in 04

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The more lefties on your team, the better.
Collier is Seven Foot and Left Handed. How can you go wrong?
Trade or bench Kenny Thomas.

 

NIKEstrad likes free agents who sign for less. Yummy, Brad Miller.

Walt's gonna be here on opening day, geez, that's not good. I don't like the sound of that.



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Collier is Seven Foot and Left Handed. How can you go wrong?
Trade or bench Kenny Thomas.

 

Personally I could care less who they get for Drew. The guy don't fit the Rocket scheme & is in the way on the Roster. Plus Drew will never see enough time to develop here. I wish him the best of look in a Sun's Uniform.

Get this deal done soon it can only help.

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Let's assume KT/Drew/Walt (approximately 6.5) for Chapman/Rogers (approximately 5.7....numbers don't work, but let's pretend they do, Phoenix can add a starch player like Livingston who's a FA)

If our 2000-2001 roster was this (going into draft/free agency)-
Francis
Mobley
Anderson
Collier
Langhi
Cato
Rogers (C.)
Rogers (R.)
Chapman
(money from cutting Maloney)

If my calculations are correct, they come out to $28,602,787.75. If we could then dump Chapman or Carlos Rogers during the season, that would successfully put us in the Webber runnings (12 million needed), but we'd have to rid ourselves of all draft picks.

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Collier is Seven Foot and Left Handed. How can you go wrong?
Trade or bench Kenny Thomas.

 

Here's my take:

- I don't think Drew has a ton of value, so I wouldn't expect a lot for him in return. Any thoughts of us getting Marion in a deal for him are ridiculous IMO.

- KT may not be as great as a lot of people on here hyped him up to be when he first had a couple of good games, but I think the pendulum has swung back too far in the other direction. I don't see Rudy just throwing him in a trade to lose Drew.

- I like Rogers, and he fits our system; however, we already have a guy who does pretty much the same thing for the Rockets. Don’t laugh, but Walt did pretty much the same thing for the Rockets last year as Rogers did for the Suns. Both don’t play a lot of D. Both used there quickness and outside shooting to create mismatches against opposing PF’s. Rogers also created mismatches against opposing SF’s by backing them down, which Walt does not do, but the Rockets aren’t going to run too many plays for the SF to post up anyway. Actually, Walt has more true SF skills in terms of ballhandling.

- What about C-Rog? He fits the Suns game as well as he fit ours, and they’re short on PF’s with Googs’ situation. Plus, he supposedly has had a falling out with Rudy T according to a couple of web sites. I don’t know if he could be thrown in there in some sort of Drew/Walt/C-Rog package for Rogers.

- Also, where are you guys getting the Suns’ and Rockets’ salaries? It would be interesting to see what Suns players have salaries that could make a Drew/Walt/C-Rog deal for Rogers work. Scary thing is the Suns are in the West and I could totally see Drew and Walt hitting a ton of clutch shots on the Rockets, while Rogers consistently clanks in the clutch like he did in the playoffs this year.

- Don’t the Rockets owe some teams (I think Vancouver is one) first-rounders? It wouldn’t be too bad if the Rockets just got a future first-rounder for Drew. If it’s real high, which it probably will be, the Rockets could convey the pick to another team relieving the Rockets of their obligation. For instance, I think Drew would have been worth the 25th pick this year. At least, I hope he would be.


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You guys are nuts if you think the Suns are going to give us the sixth man of the year for our scrubs. The only thing we are going
to get for Drew is a 12th guy like Toby Baily, and we should be happy to get him.
j

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