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[Movie] Batman 3

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  1. Ziggy

    Ziggy QUEEN ANON

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    A decent side plot at best.
     
  2. Keyser Soze

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    I mean its still just rumors. Remember Hugh Jackman was a lock for Harvey Dent?
     
  3. DCkid

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    The problem is that her power comes from her super natural abilities. I supposed they could try to explain it with science, but I feel like it would be a little hokey.

    In a world that's somewhat set in reality, how would Poison Ivy get to be so powerful that she becomes a huge threat?

    Agree with you though on the Riddler being Joker-lite.
     
  4. rocketsjudoka

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    I'm not sure if I should talk Batman with a poster named "DCKid". ;)

    I don't think Nolan is bound by the Batman comic universe and you could do a Poison Ivy without supernatural powers but as a radical environmentalist.

    She could be an extremist who is planning on releasing a virus to wipe out humanity.
     
  5. rocketsjudoka

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    Since I'm bored and can afford to geek out for awhile here's my outline of a Batman plot with Poison Ivy.

    Poison Ivy (whatever he real name) is a researcher working in Wayne Industries bio-science division. Through some trauma, possibly a rape, she develops a hatred of not just a men, but Mankind as a whole. She keeps on working at Wayne but joins an underground environmental terrorist group that carries out various actions like blowing up industrial facilities and such bringing them to the attention of Batman. Batman finds out they are going to release a biological agent that could wipe out humanity. To counter it he goes as Bruce Wayne to the bio-science division of Wayne industries and ask the best researcher there, who unknown to him is actually Poison Ivy to develop a counter. She realizes that Bruce Wayne is Batman since the only way he could know of the agent is if he is also Batman.
    She exposes Bruce Wayne as Batman leading to a manhunt for Bruce Wayne while Poison Ivy continues to work on deploying the bio-agent. The conflict of the movie is of the police hunting Bruce Wayne /Batman wile Batman is still trying to find and stop Poison Ivy from releasing the bio-agent.

    To flesh out the story some more could have Bruce Wayne realizing that Wayne Industries is indirectly responsible for creating the bio agent since Poison Ivy used Wayne Industry resources to do so. That leads a moral quandry when he realizes that being Bruce Wayne he is indirectly causing what he is trying to stop.

    Also following a common theme in Batman this plot could deal with the clash of archetypes, Batman who represents a dark male warrior archetype, Poison Ivy who represents a vengeful female archetype as both a protector (in this case of the earth) and as a castrating female seeking to emasculate Bruce Wayne by revealing he is Batman. Bruce Wayne can also be thrown in as the archetype of a souless representative of monied privelage who treats both the environment and women as nothing more than things to be exploited.
     
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    I think if you bring in any woman villain into Nolan's universe, I would like for her presence to prey on Bruce Wayne's emotional state following the death of Rachael. Maybe for added conflict and tension he finds out about the letter Alfred hid from him. She, Catwoman would probably be the best fit, would lead him on a path toward self destruction while another villain, I think Riddler or even Harvey Dent, wreaks havoc in Gotham. I like the Riddler because he could essentially masquerade as the Joker for much of the movie, screwing with Batman's mind even more...but I like Dent because he alone could vindicate Batman, yet at the same time bring the risk of sending Gotham into utter decay (no longer the White Knight). Dent is possible because we don't actually know that he died, and we only got a brief taste of Two Face in DK.
     
  7. justtxyank

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    We do know that Dent died. They all but flashed a sign that he was dead.
     
  8. Gooshie

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    I'd like to see The Riddler so Batman can rightfully be seen onscreen as the world's greatest detective. In the movies he pretty much just beats the crap outta people.

    Disagree with those who consider Riddler to be Joker-lite. The Joker forces Batman to deal with anarchy and the depths humanity (or lack thereof), the Riddler engages Batman on an intellectual and logical level.

    I think the Mad Hatter is more of a Joker wannabe.
     
  9. JunkyardDwg

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    They had a memorial for him yes...but we don't know for sure that he died. That could have been a dog and pony show for the people of Gotham.
     
  10. gucci888

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    I think it's been confirmed that they killed off Dent in TDK.
     
  11. justtxyank

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    And then what did they do with Dent? Batman and Gordon illegally conspired to hold him prisoner without due process? This is a dumb convoluted storyline.

    He died. Without him dying the situation got way too complicated. By dying it allowed Batman to take all of the heat off of the now dead hero of Gotham.

    I wonder why people won't accept the fact that Dent is dead?
     
  12. Lady_Di

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    I like the idea of Poison Ivy in the movie!

    The red headed chick from G.I. Joe can play her!
     
  13. rocketsjudoka

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    Some great points (heck we could just write the script for the next Batman here on Clutchfans. ;) )but as other posters point out Dent is very very dead.

    Like that you spoilered your response to my hypothetical Batman plot too.
     
  14. rocketsjudoka

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    I was thinking Kate Winslet.

    She's not smoking hot but has the acting chops to pull off Nolan's psychological thriller type stuff.
     
  15. Lady_Di

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    I can not picture her in an action movie...I've never seen her in one before.
     
  16. rocketsjudoka

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    The second half of Titanic was an action movie.

    Anyway howabout Kiera Knightly. She can act and is very very easy on the eyes.
     
  17. DCkid

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    Yeah, but he'll still have to be a killer...he just won't be as terrifying. I just feel like after the all-out terrorism in the last film, having Batman intellectually challenged to solve mysteries is go to be a letdown for most people.

    Would have been better if the Riddler came before the Joker...of course there would have been other problems with that.

    I think you're right though, it' just going to have to be a more subtle Batman film than the last one (kind of like the first). It will probably lose some fans in the process, but oh well.
     
  18. Lady_Di

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    I don't like Keira Knightly...

    How about Natalie Portman? Not sure if she looks good being a red headed if Poison Ivy has to be a red headed in the movie.
     
  19. GRENDEL

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    She'd be a perfect choice in my opinion!
     
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    The girl who played Andromeda in the Clash of the Titans remake would look good as Poison Ivy.
     

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