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Brad Miller signs with Rockets

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Jaingfang, Jul 17, 2010.

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Brad Miller the next Brent Barry

  1. yes-he will run out of gas like Brent

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  2. no-he will be a solid contributor & play well

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  1. Johndoe804

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    Personally, I think Daryl Morey is planning on making a move for Chris Paul. With Les spending big this offseason, and Yao slated to come back, it would make sense that Daryl Morey might offer a package of Aaron Brooks, Trevor Ariza, and Jared Jeffries (and maybe some picks) for Chris Paul. If we had Chris Paul in Adelman's offense, he would make every player on our team better, and, with his skill, he could probably get the ball into Yao pretty easy. The Hornets benefit by gaining two young core players (for rebuilding) in Trevor Ariza (who'd probably start ahead of Peja, and Posey), and Aaron Brooks (who'd probably start at SG, ahead of Marcus Thornton).

    I believe that deal could be done, but it seems like the Hornets might want more, so perhaps we could offer them Jordan Hill, too. Any thoughts on this?

    Paul/Lowry
    Martin/Taylor
    Battier/Buddinger
    Scola/Patterson
    Yao/Miller

    + Mike Harris, Chuck Hayes, David Anderson, and whoever I'm forgetting.
     
  2. Rocketsmith

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    Agree, just like Hayes has a special role as a defensive stopper, Andersen could be used to stretch the defense with his outside shooting. Playing him with Yao could open things up for both players. Andersen struggled early getting adjusted to the speed of the NBA and also the longer 3pt line, but played and shot much better toward the latter part of the season.
     
  3. Ramathorn006

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    I think we would benefit more from Iggy than Paul. We already have a legit point guard. Battier would be our only decent defender as well. If we added Iggy without losing Battier we would be able to shut a lot of people down because Iggy can play the 2 with his play making ability.
     
  4. RV6

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    Overpaid?Let's see, we got a center who:

    - wont need most of the season, if not all of it, to learn the offense

    - has experience being a starter and can move into the starting spot if Yao goes down, which is still a higher possibility than for most centers

    - can pass high, low and anywhere in between

    - can shoot the three and midrange jumper

    - can rebound

    - can block the sure layups hayes could barely reach last season

    - can actually make moves off the dribble and finish with a dunk and won't get hung on the rim like DA

    - has toughness and enforcer mentality we REALLY REALLY lack

    - shoots EIGHTY percent plus at the FT line (bonus, anyone?)

    - shot 48% from the field for his career, despite shooting a significant amount of jumpshots

    - who is 34 and a 13 yr vet, but that's not actually a death sentence. Dirk is in his 12th season, Kidd is 37, Jamison is 34, Allen is 34 (but 14 yrs pro), KG is 34 (15 yrs pro), Pierce is in his 12th year, Bwallace is 35(14 yr pro), Billups is 33 (13 yr pro), kobe is in his 14th year, fisher is in his 14th yr (and is 35), Carter is a 13 yr pro, hill is 37 in his 16th yr, Nash is 36 in yr 14, Camby is 36 (yet everyone wanted him last season) and in his 14th yr. TD is 34 and 13 yrs pro...... alot of these guys are still the main men in a run for a ring, and we're b****ing about a center who's their age or 1 yr older/younger, who's going to back up a spot for us? If anything, it's very possible Miller could start for another year, maybe two. We're getting a back up who's capable of being a solid starter, and i hear people who want Whiteside or Mbenga? Do y'all realize who our starting center is? We're not starting Dwight Howard. We dont need a back up center who's good enough to play grabage time, we need one ready for anything and you're not going to get that in this league for less money than 5 mill.

    And finally. Our oldest player is Battier at 31, hasnt even spent a decade in the league yet, and may not be on the team much longer, which would make our 2 most "experienced" vets a guy who's only been in the league 3 yrs (scola) and another who's really only been here for 5 when you consider games missed. I know fans, including myself, don't want a team full of players in their mid to late 30s, especially if they play significant minutes, but this youth movement is OVERRATED. You need guys who have experience and have been in the league for a long time, especially when your core is all under 30.

    Not only do we need all these things, but so did other teams...several in fact. do you truly expect that to go for 1-3 mill a year? Market value changes according to demand, unfortunately some minds in here don't change along with it.
     
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  5. JCDenton

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    Absolutely TERRIBLE. I knew Morey didn't have a good plan for when the contracts on his underpriced players expired, and now we're seeing him desperately flail around making overpriced deals just to make deals. He's running the Rockets like they're the Astros.

    Jesus this is a stupid signing. It definitely doesn't help us rebuild when Yao gets crippled again. So now, for an "all-in" year, Morey's legacy will be taking us massively into the luxury tax for a 50 win team that has less of a chance of winning a title than the majority of Yao-Tmac teams we've had.

    If he was going to just piss money away like this, he could have gotten Elton Brand and the #2 pick. There's your backup center for "all-in" now, and a potential future superstar to rebuild around. Instead we now have an expensive roster with no superstars and no players with the potential to be superstars except for about a 5% chance that Yao Ming can have a career year.

    The prices on Lowry and Scola were a bit high but at least there's an argument to be made that they're decent signings. This contract is an instant albatross.
     
  6. ClutchCity3

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    Hey, good to see you again. Can you do another graph to prove your points again? :p
     
  7. DoubleRods

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    nice, bullseye
     
  8. JCDenton

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    I've got something really major in the works but brilliant analysis takes time.
     
  9. durvasa

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    Looking forward to it.
     
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    I would take that all day but keep Hill and give up one of the picks.
     
  11. psingh34

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    wake up and smell the FA market .. this is the price u have to pay if u want to sign people .. otherwise u get left in the cold.. im sure rockets arent sitting there going lets see what is the max amount of money we can pay the guy ... im sure they are working on the min amount they can pay a guy and guarentee that he signs with them
     
  12. opticon

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    He have the bird right for Yao and Aaron so we can go over the cap to sign them for what ever rate we want.

    Pretty much every Contender pays the luxury tax.
     
  13. robbie380

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    Troll...gtfo

    But I agree it is a bad value but please it isn't an albatross. It basically expires next year if things don't work out.
     
  14. RV6

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    I'm not sure how you can ever question the rockets about anything after your colossal Kevin Martin fail.
     
  15. ryano2009

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    Overpaid, way overpaid.
     
  16. Zergling

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    How is 3yr, $15 million an albatross contract? Carlos Lee - now that's an albatross contract.
     
  17. psingh34

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    this contract is also for 2 years .. with only one million guarenteed for year 3 ..relax for a second and you will live longer ... bc yao has the potential to be crippled the need to get a center that you can start was that much greater .. if ne thing we over payed all 3 of the players by 2 mill each at the most .. so say we did that, overspending by 6 million isnt going to bankrupt a franchise .. and in the case of lowry he agreed to give him what another team signed him too .. so clearly rockets wernt the only ones who saw value in that ..
    secondly who said rockets are all in this year???? other than u i have not heard that this was an all in year from neone else .. esp bc we dont know yaos health.. if it all doesnt work out remember 32 million comes off the books next year .. (18 yao and 14 jeffries and battier) so the world has not come to an end just yet
     
  18. The Cat

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    If Les is willing to pay the luxury tax, what in the world does it matter?
     
  19. jopatmc

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    Guys with less than a thousand posts that come in here busting on Morey should be banned. You don't know anything about the game.
     
  20. Deuce

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    My two cents on this deal...

    Yes there is some sticker shock. But teams in general have to overpay for Bigs. That's just the way it is.

    But consider that after the 5M this season, next season Miller is essentially a 5M expiring contract (because of the 1M guarantee on 3rd season).

    Also consider, Miller is an asset with regards to Yao. Miller helps protect Yao's minutes. Yao can play less minutes because we don't have some stone-handed stiff playing C when Yao is out. Miller can play decent minutes and make the team effective, keeping the offensive flow going while Yao is out. That's what you want out of bench guys.

    It's funny to me about everyone worrying about the team "over spending." We have an owner that is going OVER the LT line. But everyone is panicking about it. Why? The killer on those old CD deals was the YEARS. I repeat the YEARS on the deal, not the amount. You can always FLIP those contracts when needed because the YEARS are shorter. Morey has proven that he can do this.

    Miller is a good signing. Take a step back.
     
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