Ugh. All that is guaranteed is $17 mil over three years... the $24 mil figure needs to stop. It seems people at this point are almost looking for an excuses to let a young asset walk with zero compensation.
I think that's fair to say at this point, he's still a ways away from peaking as a player, though he seems to be making a lot of progress, and he's motivated too. The kid is still growing into a full fledged NBA player, though from the games and highlights I saw of the two seasons he's been with us so far and the type of influence he's having on guys like Trevor Ariza and Jordan Hill (Carl Landry previously was a massive benefactor of Lowry's awesome playmaking and paceshifting) I think it's only a matter of time before he is a star in the NBA and a full on "basketball player". The group of guys the Rockets have seem to all be friends and are all helping each other mature on and off the court, that's a great thing for a guy like Kyle Lowry who most of us has been saying hasn't quite yet turned his raw athletic ability into stardom (though it will happen soon). These "young gunz", from Aaron Brooks to Kyle Lowry to Jordan Hill etc etc are creating a culture among themselves, and are all motivated to become quality players in the league and to prove themselves to the league, I think each of them is going to continue to improve in leaps and bounds, and soon that culture will not just be friendship but a winning culture. So lets not leaving Kyle out of this. He will be someone special
I think you sign him (and hope he is happy about it) then you trade him when Llull is ready to come over to a team that he can start on.... A win win for everyone. DD
I disagree. It's standard operating procedure for many teams around the league to wait for another team to give a restricted free agent role player an offer sheet first. Teams usually only make offers to star restricted free agents because it is much easier to understand what their worth on the open market will be. If you start out by giving a low ball offer to a role player it will end up just pissing off the player as well as encouraging even more teams to pursue the player. Plus players and agents always want to play the market because it is more beneficial to them to do so. Especially this year since so many teams cleared cap space and ended up being losers in the chase for Lebron. So an initial offer ends up being worthless if not counterproductive. By waiting, you let the market decide the worth of the player. Granted a team does lose some control over the process by doing it this way. But that is why teams will say that they are willing to match any offer in order to scare off as much of the competition as possible. In the end it's just a game teams and players have to play and both sides know that.
More than likely he would accept? WTF?!?! Steve f'n Blake, with a PER of 12.3 and WS/48 of 0.058 last season - both well below league average accepted a $16 mil offer over four years with the Lakers. Kyle Lowry, with an above average PER of 15.5 and WS/48 of 0.126, is expected to sign the exact same deal as Steve Blake?!?! Are you kidding me? If we had shown up with a $16 mil offer over four years to Lowry, we'd likely have been laughed out of the room. $17 mil over three years is a very fair deal.
If he signed the deal, i don't think they can sign and trade him. He's a good player and deserves to start, but he isn't beating brooks out ever. The rockets can get a cheap guys like arroyo,dooling,watson to backup brooks. I would even see if livingston wants to continue to revive his career with a 2 yr deal. I thought he would get at least 4m, 5 and some change is alot is really fair for him.
Now you're coming around. I'm not saying you have to keep Lowry around the duration of the contract - certainly, he'd like to play more and it would be a lot of money to put into the PG position once Brooks gets his extension. For now, though, it's about assets - and if you can get Lowry at a reasonable rate, you don't let him walk for no compensation. Agree that if Brooks continues his development and gets a big extension that you can trade Lowry in a year, much like Landry following our matching of his deal.
I'm not disagreeing with you, but blake has been a starter and I don't think teams look at win shares as much as maybe the rockets. I think lowry is the better player, but blake can knock down the 3 ball and has run an ofense full time on a 50 win team. Thats not to say lowry can't do the same because he has upside, but lowry really couldn't play on the lakers.
No, DD is saying trade Lowry in a year or so, once Brooks' extension kicks in. It's just dumb management to let a young asset like Lowry walk over a contract that is perfectly reasonable. See Landry situation two years ago and his eventual trade.
Every team has different statistical models they use, of course, but I can promise you that virtually no NBA teams are set in the stone age like some of you portray. They look at factors well beyond team wins and the most basic of figures. Teams understand the value of getting to the line and defense. I'd pretty much bet you anything in the world that if the Lakers could sign Kyle Lowry for that contract instead of Steve Blake, they absolutely would have. They knew they couldn't, though, and went for someone at the value they were willing to pay at the position.
So, if Morey waits to the deadline to match, he screws the Cavs over by having that money tied up in the Lowry deal and them not being able to do anything with it, but if he also wants to match quickly to scare off the Nets. No way Lowry gets that last year if it's a team option but this sucks for 2011.
Might be a lot for a back-up point guard, but not for a starting point guard. Which is where Lowry needs to be slotted on this Rockets team anyway.
Matching 3m per year vs almost 6 is different. Not to mention the position and the use of them both. Now that the rockets have martin, i don't think the brooks/lowry combo will be used as much. That lineup was used because the ariza/battier combo wasn't giving the team enough. This year, he might play even less and can only be traded to a team of his liking for a year. Now that can be a point of emphasis, but i guess we will see. I didn't think gortat would get matched last year and they did, so we will see.
This is coming from the same guy who says that /48 minute stats are irrelevant to productivity becuase players don't play 48 minutes.
pay the man morey, everyone saw last season that when Lowry got hurt is when we fell out of the playoff race. He gives the second unit all the energy.
Lowry is not as good as blake minus the ball. The lakers wouldn't have ever signed lowry even if he is the better player. They could've just given him the full mle if they wanted too. Whats a couple of million over the lt for a team like la? I'm not saying they don't use win shares and stuff like that, but some team pro personel guys use their eyes more than just pure stats.
If Morey matches Lowery you can bet Brooks is on the Market heading towards the trade deadline. No way he takes the risk of someone throwing stupid money at our SG/PG without us getting something in value in return.
