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Obama regimes DOJ drops charges against the black panther thugs

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by OddsOn, Jul 8, 2010.

  1. giddyup

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    How does it go? "I see what you did there..."
     
  2. FranchiseBlade

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    I did read it, that's why I made the comment I did. When Obama took control I never once said taking the country back. But if I did, I could tell you right now, where I hoped he was taking it back to, what he was taking it back from, and based on specific policies of the Bush administration and policy positions from Obama, I could tell you what the changes might look like, and why I favored them. I could also accurately compare both the Bush, and Obama administrations policies to other policies in the past, and tell you why one was a departure from the traditions, goals, and spirit of what this nation had been about, and why one was more in line with that spirit.

    You can't or haven't done any of that. The tea party can't or hasn't done any of that, and when they've tried the references have usually been inaccurate or related to racist policies of the past.

    Anytime you or others in the tea party have talked about specific policies that you all don't like, those policies were going on in the same way if not more so under Bush, or are being put in locally like in AZ, but you actually support it.

    I'm not telling you what your motivation is, but I can see by your actions, (at best) selective outrage, that isn't philosophical opposition to specific policies set forward by the Obama administration.
     
  3. FranchiseBlade

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    Who were they intimidating votes for or from? They weren't Obama supporters.
     
  4. thumbs

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    Many of the tea party participants did vote for Obama. That is why many are angrier than the norm because they feel cheated by Obama's performance. I remind many of them that Obama is doing exactly what he said he was going to do. They weren't listening. I voted for McCain because I did listen to Obama and his staff and friends. Even so I was optimistic about a change in direction.

    Now, with that, I am going to apologize for my absence until Monday. I was expecting about 75 people at my "event" Sunday, but the number is more than doubling, which is causing a boomlet in the local hotel economy. I wonder if it's too late to get a tupperware sales kit.
     
  5. mc mark

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    bull****
     
  6. GladiatoRowdy

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    To be fair, I am certain that the Tea Party members who voted for Obama feel betrayed. Both of them.
     
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  7. Rocketman95

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    did anyone else lol at this comment? your friends, full of grace and tolerance, would b**** slap us for criticizing you? your definitions of grace and tolerance are a little off, i'd say.
     
  8. mc mark

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    I was going to let it go, but yes, I did find the contradiction humorous.
     
  9. giddyup

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    your side is so blinded by an arrogant self-certainty that you leave no room for alternative viewpoints. BTW, it was meant to make us laugh. It's called irony. The real point is that mc mark is not open to any discussion. Are you?

    Remember, the guys in the original video are "intimidating" voters and the guys in the second video are spewing hate speech on a public street corner? What is to defend there?
     
  10. glynch

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    I was wondering how bs like this came to the attention of the OP. Then I was walking by a business that had Fox on.

    The more this bs goes on it makes me start to wonder if we perhaps need to start trying to reuglate the ability of crank billionaires to spread propaganda to the majority of thei citiizens. Maybe limit them to a local radio or tv station or two.

    Garbage in garbage out.

    If Fox told these morons to rise up in arms against the government because Obama was going to enslave the white race they would probably try to do so.
     
  11. pgabriel

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    Someone reminded me of this on cnbc this this morning

    "Deficits don't matter"

    Dick Cheney
     
  12. basso

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    part of a pattern of racism and lawlessness at the Obama DOJ? i can think of only one reason you wouldn't want to purge the voter rolls of ineligible voters...

    [rquoter]Lawlessness at the DOJ: Voting Section Told Not To Enforce Purging the Dead or Ineligible from Voting Rolls
    It's not just the New Black Panther case: in November 2009, political appointee Julie Fernandes told a packed room of Voting Section employees to simply ignore this provision of the "Motor Voter" law.
    July 8, 2010 - by J. Christian Adams

    I was at the Voting Section of the Justice Department for over five years. This office is responsible for enforcing most federal election laws which do not involve criminal matters. My previous articles at Pajamas Media have spoken of the DOJ’s lawless abandonment of race-neutral enforcement of voting laws, and other outrageous conduct. I will continue to publish here at Pajamas Media more instances of failure to enforce the law equally by the Department.

    One such instance relates to the Motor Voter law, and will shock Americans who care about integrity in the electoral process.

    The “Motor Voter” law was passed in 1993 to promote greater voter registration in the United States. It did this — most Americans now know from visits to the DMV — by requiring states to offer voter registration materials whenever someone had contact with a variety of state offices. These included welfare offices, social service agencies, and motor vehicle departments.

    A lesser-known provision also obliged the states to ensure that no ineligible voters were on the rolls — including dead people, felons, and people who had moved. Our current Department of Justice is anxious to encourage the obligations to get everyone registered, but explicitly unwilling to enforce federal law requiring states to remove the dead or ineligible from the rolls.

    In November 2009, the entire Voting Section was invited to a meeting with Deputy Assistant Attorney General Julie Fernandes, a political employee serving at the pleasure of the attorney general. The purpose of the meeting was to discuss Motor Voter enforcement decisions.

    The room was packed with dozens of Voting Section employees when she made her announcement regarding the provisions related to voter list integrity:

    We have no interest in enforcing this provision of the law. It has nothing to do with increasing turnout, and we are just not going to do it.

    Jaws dropped around the room.

    It is one thing to silently adopt a lawless policy of refusing to enforce a provision of federal law designed to bring integrity to elections. It is quite another to announce the lawlessness to a room full of people who have sworn an oath to fairly enforce the law.

    Worse yet, it is a broken campaign promise by Barack Obama, and I’m sure he would not be happy to have heard the announcement. After all, his Assistant Attorney General Tom Perez has been traveling around the country bashing the Bush-era Department of Justice. Perez says as often as he can:

    Those who had been entrusted with the keys to the division treated it like a buffet line at the cafeteria, cherry-picking which laws to enforce.

    Yet at this meeting, Ms. Fernandes openly relished her time at the buffet line in the Voting Section cafeteria.

    The problem with this sort of lawlessness, apart from the fact that it is becoming a trend in this administration, is that it nullifies the important compromise that Congress reached in 1993. Greater access to registration came by turning welfare agencies into voter registration offices, but the law also included provisions to ensure greater integrity. It is a dangerous development for our electoral system when one part of that compromise is tossed overboard by a bureaucrat.

    It will be impossible for this purportedly transparent administration to deny this direction was given. There were dozens of good people in the room that I know care more about the truth than about saving Ms. Fernandes’ career.

    Plus, the cases the Justice Department has brought — or not brought — corroborate the account: the Department has not filed a single case under the Motor Voter provision where there are problems.

    Are there problems with list integrity? Yes, but that’s a story for another article. Even worse than not bringing cases, the Holder Justice Department has dismissed a case against Missouri that the previous administration had started. In many places in Missouri, there are more voters than humans with a heartbeat old enough to vote. Instead of fully litigating the case to a favorable outcome, the DOJ made it go away, nicely, quietly, completely. Sound familiar?

    The blame-Bush instincts of this administration will no doubt lead to talk about all the cases the Bush DOJ didn’t bring to open up public welfare agencies to voter registration. Good luck. I’d suggest citizens go online and see the Section 7 NVRA, or “Motor Voter,” cases that were commenced under the Bush administration. Bush brought voter registration cases under Motor Voter against Arizona and Illinois.

    This Justice Department, in contrast, has “cherry picked” which parts of Motor Voter law they will enforce. You wouldn’t think it has anything to do with politics or the upcoming elections, would you?

    J. Christian Adams is an election lawyer who served in the Voting Rights Section at the U.S. Department of Justice. His website is www.electionlawcenter.com.[/rquoter]
     
  13. basso

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    The "maybe" in that headline is a virtual statistical impossibility based on the information cited in the article. The "probably" in your post is completely wrong.
     
  15. mc mark

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    And if the supreme court wouldn't have committed a coup, we never would have heard of Chimpy McFlightsuit
     
  16. mc mark

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    Oops!

    Seems a very interesting story is about to break.

    stay tuned!
     
  17. mc mark

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    Oops!

    Bush DOJ decided New Black Panthers no major case

    The decision not to file a criminal case occurred before Obama was even in office.

    This means that the case was downgraded to a civil case 11 days before Obama was inaugurated, 26 days before Eric Holder became attorney general, and about nine months before Thomas Perez was confirmed as head of the Civil Rights Division.

    From Media Matters:

    # Adams has admitted that he does not have first-hand knowledge of the events, conversations, and decisions that he is citing to advance his accusations;

    # The Bush administration’s Justice Department — not the Obama administration — made the decision not to pursue criminal charges against members of the New Black Panther Party for alleged voter intimidation at a polling center in Philadelphia in 2008;

    # The Obama administration successfully obtained default judgment against Samir Shabazz, a member of the New Black Panther Party carrying a nightstick outside the Philadelphia polling center on Election Day 2008;

    # The Bush administration DOJ chose not to pursue similar charges against members of the Minutemen, one of whom allegedly carried a weapon while harassing Hispanic voters in Arizona in 2006;

    # No voters have come forward to claim that they were intimidated from voting on account of the New Black Panthers standing outside the polling center in 2008;
     
  18. SamFisher

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    Can you find an example of one illegal vote cast? thanks. Just a single one.
     
  19. mc mark

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    I'm sure, OddsOn, you're just taking the time to think up the appropriate apology for the President and the DOJ.

    I'm sure that's it....
     
  20. basso

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    how about 341?
     

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