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Which GM could've done better than Morey with the Rockets the past 3 years?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by meh, Jul 12, 2010.

  1. rocketschamp3

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    he is one of the best because he put a team toghether were he didnt overpay for anybody and still got a pretty good team.I mean i think if martins contract would of ended this year he would of probably gotten the max in a desperate team like the nets or anybody who didnt get wade or lebron oh and he got tmac out for hill and martin
     
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    Nope. I wasn't actually too bothered by your post, since you always formulate your opinions well.

    But you say this is a results-oriented league. So has Morey not gotten results? What do you expect a GM to do? Hire the best coaches, and obtain the best players, am I right?

    So let's take a look.

    Coaching find: Did he made the mistake in hiring Adelman? Could he have found a better coach?
    Player find: Did he get the best possible players we could've hoped for through trades, FA, and the draft? Realistically, of course. No one bats 1.000. No GM in history bats anywhere near that.


    Presti has had a #2(Durant), #3(Harden), #4(Westbrook), #5(Green). He also has ZERO PLAYOFF VICTORIES. In a way, he's just like Morey. He makes shrewd decisions, understands how the GM game's played, but hasn't had the "results" yet.

    To me, the only person who really has done everything is Popovich and the Spurs front office. And even he was blessed by the basketball gods for landing Tim Duncan.
     
  4. MadMax

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    not what i meant when i said "results-oriented."

    you can do all the right things as a coach in pro sports, for instance. but if you don't win (and frankly, if you don't win pretty quickly) you're history. they're finding your replacement, rightly or wrongly.
     
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    It seems like I was speaking of Morey's abilities. And you're speaking of his job security. You're right. His job security may be in trouble if he lacks on-the-court success. But that has nothing to do with how well he's run the team so far.
     
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    If he were still active, he'd still give any GM fits.

    Still the standard bearer for me when it comes to GMs.

    Having said that, I think Morey's done a fine job. He's built assets and found hidden gems.

    Even the best GM, i'd imagine, would tell you that there's definitely an element of luck involved in developing a true contending team. Even if he's found great supporting cast members, the fact remains that we're left with a health questionable franchise player and no true #2 guy. If i were to have to make an analogy, it feels like we have D. Robinson, a prime-time Sean Elliot , but without a Duncan (or whatever analogy you may prefer).

    I think I'll save my final opinion for if/when he can build around a relatively healthy Yao (beyond Morey) and make us true contenders.
     
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    i think the "worship" is silly. that's all. i'd understand it more if we had won a championship during his tenure....then you tend to idealize all of it as a fan.
     
  10. abc2007

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    I think Morey is probably the hardest working GM in the league, and he has his own theory about NBA. I respect him.

    However, after all, he is a rookie GM, lack of experience. And, he was not a nba player, no social network in the league. It's hard for him to make a big trade and land a superstar.
     
  11. haoafu

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    Morey is very good, but there's no proof he's top3 or top5. Can he replace Lakers/Celtics/Heats/Thunder... GM's and do a better job than them? Possibly yes, and possibly no.

    AB/Carl/Budinger are partly selected by Adelman and entirely developed by the coaching staff. There're a lot of coaches wouldn't develop much better talent but prefer veterans.

    Even for the Knick's trade, Morey himself admitted that Walsh did a great job as well because that's the only way they can clear cap space. If Morey were a Knick's GM at that time and Walsh were a Rckets GM, a similar deal would have been reached as it's a win-win for both sides.
     
  12. roslolian

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    Presti and Morey are IMHO the best GMs in the league. However Presti has had what? Durant, Cole Aldrich, Jeff Green, WB and Harden. All these guys are lottery picks, and Presti was able to build the team he wanted with all these resources available to him. Putting together a young exciting team is nothign compared to rebuilding your team on the fly while your stars are still kicking and preventing you from getting those picks.
     
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    Well yeah, I mean, Isiah, Mchale, Dumars, MJ, Bird were all players right, so they were all able to make all these moves that help...what?

    You need to be a former player to be a good GM: one of the biggest fallacies in the league. I don't even know WHY people think this way, being a GM is a cerebral job. NBA players are usually jocks, you think they're used to doing a lot of thinking and analyzing before they make a decision? LOL, West was the only true GM who was amazing both as a player and as a manager. Ainge gets a lot of credit however lets not forget the Celtics spent half a dozen years collecting assets and top lottery picks before they blew it all on KG and Allen.
     
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    Championship isn't the be all and end all of being a good player or GM. The great and amazing Adam Morrison already has two rings under his belt, does that make him a better player than Lebron James, who has yet to win one?


    In the same way GMs need to be graded in the situations they were placed in. No matter how good you are, you can't convince the Cavs to trade Lebron and 10 first round picks for Marty Leunen. As meh already said, the DM worship is really just tongue in cheek, however to say he isn't a top GM in the league is ridiculous in light of what he's done.

    Again, point out a GM who would have done a better job and tell me what move he would have done that would have given us a ring. Most guys say he isn't a top GM but can't provide reasons for it. That's cause when you break it down, DM has generally made the best decision under the circumstances, and you really can't ask for anything more.
     
  15. meh

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    Come on. Nobody truly worships him. It's just all for fun. But knowledgeable basketball fans RESPECT him. We respect his ability to turn VSpan into Scola. We respect his ability to Get Brooks and Landry with low picks. Because they are the sort of moves that run in contrast with getting Mr. 23-25 3pointers in practice, passing up Rashard 3 times for WTF players, thinking Eddie Griffin's mental issues aren't a big deal, etc. Fans respect him for making sound judgments.

    Name some veteran GMs who in the last 3 years that has landed a bigger deal than getting Martin, Hill, some nice picks. Name some superstars that exchanged hands between veteran GMs who have nice network skills.
     
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    If Clutchfans had run the team, I and the majority of posters on here would have taken Josh McRoberts with our 26 pick in 2007. Yeah...that's why we leave this in the hands of professionals :p
     

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