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Who Should We Go For Now?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Big MAK, Jul 7, 2010.

  1. Malcolm

    Malcolm Member

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    He resign Scola and Lowry and Rockets will be ok. Don't get caught up with names we got a damn good roster here.
     
  2. Rockets4279

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    Its far from over and dont think he is done.
     
  3. kingjosh

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    Give the current FA situation its much more advisable to make minor tweaks (Brad Miller?) to the roster and wait for the trade deadline.
     
  4. tamericus

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    He doesn't have a magic wand.

    We don't want to lose a lot without getting a big talent, and there's not much talent to be had right now.

    I think we're better off where we're at for now and seeing what noise we can make this coming season.
     
  5. latebloomer19

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    in my opinion, we need a past first PG and a 2nd scorer of a 3.
     
  6. Chamillionaire

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    morey WONT make a move unless we're getting the better out of the deal. therefore, he's not going to make all the moves that may be rumored.

    the big three all had intentions IMO to play together. morey did what he could with what he had.

    not sure what the next move will be, but picking up a few bigs like miller or thomas would be a good solid pickup. plus signing lowry and scola would be very important.

    yao / (miller, thomas) / hayes
    scola / hill / patterson
    ariza / battier / chase
    martin / JT
    brooks / lowry

    pretty solid, could trade a few assets for an established all-star type player, if possible.
     
  7. meh

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    You're right. The Rockets spent an ipad, gave out a free trip to some fans, had Clutch made a website, that all turned worthless because of his erroneous pursuit of Bosh. All this has obviously crippled this franchise. I really don't know what we can do now.

    I think Morey should've gone the Knicks/Bulls route and gutted their roster. If we had no players and $20 mil in capspace, we may not have lost Raymond Felton to the Knicks, or could've blocked Miami by giving Mike Miller a $10 mil/yr contract. Then Morey would've TRULY PREVAILED!
     
  8. Sherlock

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    As much as I love the off-season, and making shrewd moves, I really have to agree with BIMAthug, that the wisest moves this summer, are nothing that is desperate ... but to stay opportunistic. We have lots of assets to make great trades with, when the time is right, but not sideway moves. If we can improve this summer, and an opportunity avails itself of getting a star player, then I expect Morey to pounce. If that doesn't happen until the mid-season trading deadline, then that's fine with me. Until then we should just develop our players and assets.

    I want to see a championship here, and Miami has certainly raised the bar. But, if we panic, and just to do something to make a splash, that would be foolish.
     
  9. fonzie_004

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    Lowry?
     
  10. Cakewalk

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    Just be grateful that we aren't in Cleveland right now.
     
  11. Raven

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    Calm down.

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  12. Moonscope

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    I think the question that really should be answered is "Now what Adelman?"

    Do you play Hill as a backup 5 or backup 4? If it is 4, who gets the more playing time, PP or Hill?

    These are more important questions...

    Hill 'could' play the 5, will be interesting to see...
     
  13. TexAg713

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    First off, let's not beat ourselves up over not signing Bosh. There was no way he was coming here. It's obvious now he planned to team up in Miami months in advance. Hopefully the Rockets saw it coming and didn't waste too much time chasing that pipe dream.

    As far as off-season moves go, even though all the big free agents are seemingly locked up, Morey & Co. still have several options on the table:

    A) sign our restricted free agents to reasonable contracts
    B) sign a veteran back up center while maintaining flexibility (perhaps Jeffries fills this role)
    C) scout and sign cheap hidden gem in summer league
    D) gamble on a foreign player (ala david andersen 2009)
    E) significantly raise the average quality of team and/or acquire assets through trade

    (E) largely depends on the misfortunes of opposing teams. Morey is known to be a vulture, picking on the rotting carcasses of opposing teams. Besides Jeffries, the Rockets don't really have any negative value assets warranting an immediate jettison. Since we didn't get rid of Jeffries in a Bosh S&T, I doubt we continue to court Brad Miller. I expect him to be gone by Feb 18th. From here on out, management must be on the lookout for opportunities to consolidate depth and parlay that into maximizing the product on court at any given time. But don't expect them to bite on a deal unless the benefits reaped are obvious. They do value team chemistry to some extent.

    As for what we have to look forward to: integrating Patterson and Yao most effectively into what the Rockets accomplished last year. Yao hasn't even played a single NBA minute with half the team if I remember correctly (Hill, Budinger, Taylor, Patterson, Jeffries, Ariza, Andersen). That alone, I'm sure, has to rank fairly high on their agenda for this season.

    I think we'll be seeing two styles of basketball this upcoming season: The traditional Yao-centric half court starting team, and the run-and-gun fast paced offense when Hill and Taylor enter the game. Adelman has shown a willingness to experiment with the lineup, and anything to make Houston more unpredictable ultimately works to our advantage. We learned how to win games without Yao last season and I don't expect us to give that up any time soon.

    Given the recent developments in South Beach, you have to wonder what Morey's 5 year plan is now. Assuming Yao's window is no more than four years and Miami will only be getting better for the next 6 years, I would guess that our best chance to win a championship is these next two years. Luckily for us, the West will be weaker than years past and Les is hungry for a title, as is evidenced by his willingness to exceed the luxury cap. Morey will have to burn the midnight oil and work some of his magic in the next year or so if Houston is to have a real shot at the title.
     
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  14. JCDenton

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    What now? We stand pat and enjoy our 50-55 win season, followed by getting bounced from the playoffs in the first or second round. Or maybe Morey can bring in a star like Paul, Granger, etc and we get to the WCF. What a huge disappointment for an "all in" year.
     
  15. roslolian

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    Uh, who the hell do you think picked PP in the first place? :rolleyes: Considering he just tore up his very first game I don't know why you're complaining.

    Killing our team? How is not signing Bosh equate to killing our team? We don't need to make any other changes, Yao coming back fixes 99% of the problems last season. Bringing in new players isn't the only way to improve, getting players back from injury and resigning our own free agents can be considered improvements as well.

    Just shut up and enjoy the coming season. If we end up losing the first 5 games then you can start complaining. Sheesh!
     
  16. engr_alex

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    im with the TS. some of us are feeling a bit antsy with all the movement around the league, while we're standing still. sure, i dont see anything wrong with doing nothing as long as when i look at our roster, id see a team that can challenge the lakers. but cmon, take a look at it, is it enough to challenge the lakers? im not entirely sure.

    morey doesnt like to take risks. always goes for the low risk, hi reward move. which bugs me a lot. i would like for once, take that risk that would put us over the top.

    last year, dm targeted gortat. low risk, hi reward. if he went for the mle, dm his the jackpot. but when he couldnt be had for the mle, dm passed. we didnt risk it. we couldve gotten gortat instead of andersen (who's another low risk, hi reward move). why not sign him for an amount the magic wont match but at a shorter term?

    ariza was also a low risk hi reward move. he looked good as a role player. he's young. getting him for the mle was a steal. although it wasnt really a steal since LA insulted him by not giving him the mle and instead signed artest. i think ariza signed with the rockets more on spite rather than anything else.

    now this year. it doesnt take a genius to target bosh. he's a great fit for a lot of teams and he's worth every penny you pay. but instead of risking it, and gutting the team for capspace, dm does the reverse and stacks up on assets and avoid the risk of getting nothing in return. bosh doesnt sign, dm still has his assets. smart move? i think the smarter move was not making a play for bosh in the first place.

    i thought we passed on a lot of good players out there. on a very slim chance of landing bosh. david lee is a nice addition for 10-13m. the randolph, turiaf, azubuike package would look nice on the rockets roster too. randolph's better than hill, turiaf's a nice backup C, and azubuike's serviceable too. why couldnt we get in on that? mike miller? he wouldve been great too. we shouldve SnTd with the wizards for battier.

    now, upon losing on the bosh sweepstakes, we're going for brad miller, tysong chandler and kurt thomas. again, cant we risk more and get something more significant in return? wouldnt an al jefferson be better than those two?

    and dont tell me we already have a better player in scola. cmon, we basically told scola (not to mention ariza) he's out of here when we made the play for bosh. isnt trying to resign scola now a slap to his face? it's like telling him, if we dont get bosh, we're signing you instead. not to mention after wooing and convincing ariza to move here that he'd be a part of the future plans of the rockets, just after one season, he's part of SnT packages already. nice people skills there dm.

    DMs already made it clear that scola, ariza, battier and other players are out of here if it nets a him hi calibre player. why make them suffer like 'traded-guys walking'? dont you think theyre feeling a bit betrayed? why wait for things to develop and jump on trades instead of making things happen? why keep waiting for the trade deadline when teams are more desperate? when it doesnt give the traded for guys time to jell with a team, who's chemistry gets shorted out because you dealt players theyve been playing well for a half a season already?

    cmon morey, make a ballsy move. if youre really that good, get cp3 and okafor or other all stars now, instead of waiting or settling for mediocre players.

    /rant
     
  17. Kojirou

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    Dallas gave Gortat the full MLE. Orlando matched. We could not have given Gortat more than that.
    So how would we have gotten Gortat? Why do people keep whining about this?


    If Scola and Ariza would actually feel devastated and unwilling to cooperate because they might be traded for a player better then themselves, then to be quite honest, they don't belong here nor in the NBA in general, especially since Ariza has been traded a couple of times already. I mean, players get traded or land in trade rumors all the freaking time, does that mean they are done? I guess Kobe should have been done with the Lakers because they were talking of trading him for Deng, clearly he's a dead man walking. :rolleyes:

    And totally disagree on Jefferson. This board's fascination with him amazes me, as he won't work with Yao. At all. It's not just about getting the best pieces, it's about getting the best pieces that fit together, and Scola can fit with Yao far better and at a cheaper price. I'm going with Scola, and frankly the same thing applies to David Lee. If we can't get Bosh (which in hindsight was impossible), then I'll stick with Scola.
     
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  18. engr_alex

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    im not versed with the trade rules, but if miami could get 3 max agents, and still get to sign miller and haslem and maybe even fisher, im sure there's a way we couldve gotten gortat. point is, dm didnt think gortat was worth the mle, so when dallas made the offer, he backed off. again, he didnt want to risk, or overpay even by a bit. i think the offer was for half the mle. you know what half the mle gets you? david andersen.

    that's your opnion bro. who's to say ariza or scola isnt the least bit peeved by all the trade rumors? just because you play in the NBA doesnt mean you lose your self worth and start thinking yourself more as an asset than a person. that's preposterous. point with ariza is, he was told that they wanted him here. that he'll be a rocket for a long time. a lot of teams were after ariza but he got sold by dm and ra saying he's part of their future plans. and now, 1 season after he's being packaged and ready to ship. im sure he didnt see that coming signing in last season.

    and kobe? cmon. he was through with la. he wanted out. he kept asking for a trade. the only reason it didnt happen was because the players he wanted to play with were the ones being sent out for the trade. and then la managed to get gasol and that turned everything around for kobe and the lakers.

    scola? cheaper price? he's an rfa and arguable the last best fa at the moment. he's worth the same contract as jefferson and a team out there would agree with that and might even offer more. but instead of signing him outright, dm's waiting for the other teams to determine how much he's worth. if the nets suddenly offer scola, 15m a year, do you think dm would match? i certainly hope so, otherwise the rockets wouldve lost on bosh and on scola.

    as for jefferson, the guy's 5 years younger. he might be coming off an injury, but he's a legit scorer/rebounder. and who's to say he cant play alongside yao? scola and al plays the same. not to mention, since yao would be limited to about 25mins a game, there's a big chance that those two might only play 10-15 mins together. and while scola's a great role player, al jefferson can carry a team the way he did with the celts and pre injury with minny.

    and David Lee? that guy's a lot better than scola. stop being a homer for a while. better rebounder. has a longer range. dude's a beast in the pick and roll. automatic 2 points. you shouldve seen him playing pick and roll with tmac. david lee was unstoppable (30pts). now imagine him playing with brooks or martin. it'd be raining threes and layups all night long.

    again, my point is, stop with the low risk, hi reward plans at the moment. stop with the waiting on trades. i want dm to take a hi risk, very hi reward move coz yao's not getting younger. and as soon as other teams see that yao's not back to full health, and isnt as imposing as he used to be, theyll be giving dm a hard time on trades.

    all i want to hear is some news about dm calling up NO and asking for CP3. i want to hear news that he's calling minny for rubio and al every day. all this talk about brad miller, kurt thomas and even tyson chandler isnt doing it for me.
     
  19. crash5179

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    Biggest disappointment by far this year is when JCDenton did not stick to his word by retiring from this BBS if Kevin Martin finished with a feild goal percentage over 40%.

    JCDenton is therefore a lier and a troll.
     
  20. kharboosa

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    Thats the single best attribute about daryl morey. He doesnt make moves for the sake of doing something. He only makes moves that make the team better and never take a step back. I know everyone is caught up in the hype in free agency, but just take a step back and realize that we have a good team with a lot of potential.
     

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