Rockets offering Scola, Ariza and Battier in sign-and-trades for Bosh or Amar'e

Yeah, it says that they never had a "TEAM" good enough to win it.

Everyone rags on TMac, and he had his chances with the 2005-6 teams, but those are not totally fair, because the game is more than just about 1 guy.

It takes 8 or 9 rotational players, and a favorable matchup.

Heck the Rockets fans should know this, we could not beat Seattle and until they were knocked out in the first round by Deke and the Nuggets, they were favored to win the championship the year the Rox won their first.

All of these guys you are talking about are quality ROLE players...

Horry, Fisher, Ariza, Elie...all of them, you need those guys, but there are also situations where people like Chucky Brown get a ring, it is not about the role players, it is about the entire team and how their ROLE fit into that equation.

DD

 

See kiddies.......intelligence.....

DD

 

I do not like that we're offering our two best perimeter defenders.

 

And this is why, Morey is the GM, and not you Barnes is better than Ariza clowns.

Could Barnes do what Ariza does? Maybe.

But to lock up a 24 year old at the MLE, is thinking down the road. Shane ain't getting any younger, and Barnes is on his last legs.

Take a look at the signings this FA period, and Ariza is far from overpaid

 

Yeah, we say no rings, but that doesnt mean they werent amongst the bad asses of their time.

Fisher is definitely clutch...but he's never had anything near the skill or career as other guys in the league that havent won a championship. Fisher is heart and soul...and thats not enough to get you into the Hall of Fame...its about the stats, which other than championships, Fisher isnt anywhere near the game.

 

People this is mark j miller, the same guy that said Avery Johnson used to coach the rockets. I'll believe the details when a more credible source comes in...

 

Morey has done a great job, the jury is out on Trevor......and just because he has done a great job does not mean every move is a good one.

Time will tell on Trevor, but at BEST, it is off to a Rocky start.

What you guys should be understanding is "Why would Morey give him up so soon?"

Because that is a lot more telling about what they really believe about the guy.

DD

 

Are we discussing NBA career or NBA individual talent???

Ariza is the guy that every team want´s, if you ask wade who he wants with him at the SF position, non star, but the perfect role player, Ariza is the man, he is a younger Posey when he went to the C´s, he does the dirty work, plus he changes the momentum of the game with those steals and dunks on the fast-breaks (posey didn´t do this)

I like the guy, he tried to do to much, when he came here, he wanted to be the guy, and he was obliged to do it, but he isn´t that guy

Is paying 8M per year, to a guy that does what he does on the floor, plays to win, having that Kobe mentality (without kobe skill ovcourse), overpaying???

When I see other guys getting 15M per year, I mean, give me Ariza all day

People love Scola because the heart on him is unquestionable, and then bash Ariza saying he is overpaid, when he has the same heart as Scola, and he is a wing player, and we know how many wing players in the league have the desire to reach the ball first, to go to the stands flying for the ball, etc, 1/2/3???

I bet people when questioned if paying Scola 8M per year, even if Bosh comes, (scola gets the backup position) people say that it is not overpaying a backup player, but Ariza, unquestionable starter, then that is overpaying a scrub

Fans like to extreme opinions, when in fact, the balance, is the right thing, Ariza is not a scub, but he is not HOF, Budinger is not going to be a scrub, neither a HOF.

I don´t think Ariza is going to Toronto, in a S&t deal, and if he does, that means that Morey is still not over from dealing, because I doubt that Battier is a starter next season, after seeing his physical decline in the past season, and Budinger is still too green

PeAcE

 

See, How hard was that?

 

Nice post.

I guess the counter to that discussion would be just because everyone else is overpaying for marginal talent doesn't mean we should to....

And yes, Ariza is a decent role player, no doubt.

I personally believe (and this will be no shock) that Chase is better and will have a much better career than Trevor. Why? Chase has more skill than Trevor does.

DD

 

I honestly think that Morey feels Budinger could step in as the starter at SF. If they signed Bosh, his scoring along with Yao and Martin means they would not require the SF position, already their weakest position, to be depended upon for scoring.

Budinger isn't that great a defender, but he's only been in the league one year. They may also feel that Patterson can play both PF and SF and can back him up.

So you conceivably would have:

Yao/Brad Miller (who I think they'll sign regardless)/Anderson
Bosh/Patterson/Hayes/Hill
Budinger/Harris/Patterson
Martin/Taylor
Brooks/Lowry

 

LOL, I just posted stats and thats it. Stats, buddy...and the only reason why, is b/c Ariza avg more mins last year and had better per game numbers, which would basically hurt your arguement. Barnes shot better in the play-offs than he did in the reg season. To me, I dont really care, its a wash. Pick a fight with Reeko...I just brought facts.

 

Uhhh.. It's not so much giving up on Ariza. It's including Ariza in a potential deal to acquire an All-Star PF

Look at the Rockets roster. What would other teams want in return for their All-Star PF?

Ariza is young, and can play/guard the 2-3 positions. Battier is a nice expiring, but he's not a long term piece, unless it's on a championship contender team.

Brooks is untouchable to you, so who else would be enticing? Unless the other teams ask for Hill or Patterson, Ariza is the last attractive piece left

 

Add to that our tons of future 1st round picks since we didn't give em any.

 

No mention of the Knicks' picks?

 

Forget Bosh. Go after the two Anthonys. Morrow and Randolph.

 

I have a feeling we are letting our SF's go because we are getting LeBron or Melo

 

its off to a rocky start because Yao was not there....If you looked back this last season Trevor played well sometimes and others was horrible...I personally dont know why Morey will give up on him and most importanly give up Battier...Sure Shane did not have a good year but that also is because Yao was missing how do you think shane got his points the years before off of Yao's double teams......Maybe DM knows that Yao is done?? and its time to rebuild around a much weaker Bosh..Who Knows

 

LeBron = Not a chance, Melo = Possibly!

 

Can we please not spend like 4 pages debating Ariza and Barnes? We don't even know if we want Barnes. I mean geez. Can we please stick to stuff that's related to this rumor? Barnes is kinda related but not that related since we can't even fully interpret if both of our SF's would be included in a deal.