[ESPN News] Ric Bucher "Include Houston in group of teams that may get Bosh"

Thank you!! You are absolutely right. Alot of people on here are so blinded by the star status's that they can't see what's painfully obvious. All they have to do is get a quality backup center!! We don't need more SG's, SF's and PF's because we are set at those positions already!

 

I don't think the raptors want Jeffries. As you have said, they want real assets. If not Battier, then they may want Martin.

 

The Rockets aren't trading Kevin Martin to Toronto. Not gonna happen.

No kidding, the Raptors don't want Jeffries. At $6.88M, no one does. (Now, for say, $2M, I think you'd definitely see some takers. But I digress . . .) He's just salary filler. I only listed him at the top of the package because I was listing by salary, not importance to Toronto. Heck, the Rockets may throw cash into the deal to help offset some of Jeffries's salary.

If the Rockets include Hill, Llull, picks, cash and keep the total salary commitment for next year as close to $13.2M as possible, then I could see Toronto doing that deal without having to include Battier or Ariza in lieu of Jared.

 

I still cannot see that they will take Jefferies. If they would, they would take him with Hill+picks last season. They don't need to trade Bosh for those.

I think the raptors want to s&t Bosh to Miami. They want their 1st round pick back. Without Bosh, it could be a top 5 pick. And, Miami has salary space. They don't need to talke salary back (Is it right?).

 

What??? At the trade deadline last season, the Raptors still felt they had a good chance to retain Bosh. HUGE difference. If there's even a snowball's chance in hell that Bosh would stay (which there was at the time, barely), there was no reason to take the "Knicks' McGrady package" from New York.

Also, that future first rounder the Raptors owe the Heat is lottery protected until 2015, so there are no worries there.

Bad reasoning, man. Just bad.

 

We aren't blinded by star status. The fact is that in this league you need star talent to win.

 

A maximum contract for a 7th-9th year veteran will be 30% of the cap in 2010-2011, which has not been fully calculated, but is projected at $56.1M (source).

Thus, the starting salaries for James, Wade and Bosh will be approximately $16.83M, whether they're signed by a new team or old. Subsequent raises will be either 8% (new team) or 10.5% (Bird-right team) of this total. Raises are NOT compounded. Thus, salaries look something like this (my estimates):

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[INDENT]10-11 11-12 12-13 13-14 14-15 15-16 Total[/INDENT] 
Bird 16.83 18.60 20.36 22.13 23.90 25.66 127.5 
Non- 16.83 18.17 19.52 20.87 22.22 00.00 97.6

One of the most interesting things that I don't hear much about, and one of the most compelling reasons to forego ETOs is the use of signing bonuses. A signing bonus can be up to 20% of the total guaranteed money (so years following an ETO, as well as option years can't be counted), and was made famous by the Paul Millsap contract from Portland that Utah had to match. If I were an agent, I'd be pushing for my clients to get as much money as possible prior to the 2011 lockout, both to guard against a possible across the board paycut, as well as to better insulate them against losing a year of salary during the lockout.

Here's what a sign & trade with a 20% signing bonus would look like:

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[INDENT]10-11 11-12 12-13 13-14 14-15 15-16 Total[/INDENT] 
Bird 37.01 14.13 15.47 16.82 18.16 19.50 121.11
Non- 31.96 14.09 15.13 16.17 17.22 00.00 94.56

So the Free agent gives up a tiny amount of total money, maybe 5%, and instead, guarantees that their salary is free from any retroactive pay cuts. Sounds like a good deal to me, even before you take into account time value of money.

 

I read it on here earlier that Hayes did have is option picked up or he will have his option picked up. So, he can be included in a trade as well.

You know Mike Davis and Alexander Johnson's contracts are not guaranteed, so you know they'll get included in any deal and subsequently waived.

The players who will likely be end of bench guys and non-rotational guys and will likely be included in any trades are:

David Anderson
Jared Jefferies
Alexander Johnson
Mike Harris
Chuck Hayes

All of those guys salaries are for the most part coming off the books after this season. I know David Anderson has 2 years left, but I think his 3rd year is partially not guaranteed.

According to ESPN, their combined 2010-2011 salaries is 11,053,601

If the Raptors want talent in this trade as well, I think they will ask for Aaron Brooks (1,118,520) and/or Jordan Hill (2,483,280) and possibly C-Bud (725,000) and J. Taylor (725,000). If they ask for Lull, or the draft picks, remember, those don't offer any monetary value, so they'd only be added at the end in case sweeteners were needed.

If we include Brooks, we'd most likely have to take back a Calderon or Jarret Jack to be the other PG with Lowry. Then the problem comes in that we'd have to include 1 or 2 more players to make the salaries work. We'd almost certainly have to include Battier or Ariza in the deal.

If we didn't want either of those PG from Toronto, I don't know where we'd get another one, perhaps try to include New Orleans in a deal for Collison since we will still have assets.

As you can see, there are still some things to be worked out. It's not just so easy as to say "here take our scrubs, and we just want Bosh".

 

Having NBA average or even above average talent won't do if you want to win a title. Take our line-up with a healthy Yao and you can pick the best backup C in the NBA if you like (Gortat? the lesser of Camby/Oden?) and that still won't be enough to get you to the Western Conference Finals much less win it all.

However, you can sustain having one hole in your starting lineup if you offset that with a superstar in another spot. Wade basically sustained 2-3 holes in his lineup when he won it all. Lebron made it to a Finals with little to no help. Detroit's probably the only team in history to win an NBA finals without a clear-cut HOFer, and even that team you can argue had better talent than this Rockets team in every single starting position.

Morey's going for it all because he knows that settling with bargain bin pickups and draft day surprises ain't gonna cut it for a championship. You've gotta have one of the top 5 guys in the league. After you get that piece, then the quality of supporting cast matters, but until you do, you might as well not even bother showing up for the dance.

 

Bosh is good, but not worthy of max contract.
if we get him, we could regret in a couple of years

 

Dang Bima, similar posts. I guess I shouldn't take so long to do my research.

 

Can't we do like...

Jeffries (expiring)(?)
Battier
Llull or whoever they want from overseas
NY 2012 pick
Anderson(?)
and our 2013 pick (if that's possible??!)

I really like J.Hill and I really want us to keep him.. I want to see how these young players develop under Adelman, and hopefully they reach their full potential.

 

One other thing that may work against the Rockets.

Colangelo is saying that they're looking heavily at getting a trade exception in the Bosh trade to be used for S&T for another big FA. Now, why he goes for that over young players and picks, may simply be because he doesn't think the Rockets or the Mavs can get Bosh. But it may also be that he has another FA in mind.

 

SO he want to play with us now huh? I guess after the 3some they had in MIAMI. He felt 3's a crowd and decided to leave. I say F him.

 

I didn't mean they would trade Bosh for Jerries+Hill+picks last season. They could trade expiring contracts for those, although I am not sure whether they had enough expiring contracts last season.

Anyway, I don't think Jerries+Hill+picks are very attractive. Otherwise, other teams would compete for those last season. In fact, the rockets are only team that was willing to take those last season.

In addtion, if the raptors' pick is lottery protected, they could ask for the pick+Beasley.

 

I feel the only way to get Bosh is if the 3 stars split (i am talking about Lebron, Bosh and Wade).

Let's analyze the possibility of split, everything is based on James:

James:
1. Not going back to Cavs (everyone knows this)
2. NY? Nah...they don't have any foundation
3. Heat? i don't think the Heat have the $$ to sign all 3 players at max.
4. Bulls? 50% chance since they have some talents there and can sign Bosh and James. BUT...a couple things that might turn players off...Bulls owner SUCKS!! There is no loyalty. James..is he willing to play in the shadow of MJ?? People are going to constantly comparing his legacy with MJ...there IS NO QUESTION ABOUT IT IF HE PLAY THERE. Is that a problem for him?? I dunno.

So the question is if James don't want to go to Chicago...his only good choice seems to be Miami. And Bosh (being an ass because he said he want to be the man), might follow him to Miami for less money.

IMO i don't think even with Bosh and James and Wade...they can compete with the size of Lakers inside. Bosh is not going to dominate against TWO of Lakers BIG inside. And as you know, interior size means a hell lot in the Playoffs as Lakers constantly getting 2nd chance shots. What makes you think can handle the 2 Lakers inside?? I see Lakers STILL dominate them inside. Sure James and Wade can have their own way of doing thing but there is just one ball to go around and they don't have enough good shooters.

 

But does Bosh really want to go to an organization that treated Jordan and Phil Jackson so poorly.... cap space or no cap space. I think that extra money will be very attractive. I wonder what the perception of the Houston organization is to the free agents....

 

you're missing the point. they may not want to take back huge salary, which they would in martin's case. You'd be forcing them to swallow his 10 mill + contract for what's left, i think 3 years. They don't want that, they want assets/flexibility. Jefferies only ties them down a year and they can buy him out, no more worries about being tied to a huge multi year deal you didn't create or want yourself. Hill and the picks are valuable because of the potential of the talent involved, yet they're not costing them millions now.

And are you implying no other team was willing to take on what NY offered for tmac? They were the ones who got robbed, remember? Not Houston. The reason other teams didnt get in on it is because no other team had what the knicks wanted, Tmac and his contract, so there was no reaosn for NY to offer them that deal. We didn't settle for what they offered, we forced them to offer that deal.

 

Well, there is one pairing that can compete with the Laker size. :grin:

 

Morey, might want to put that in his little presentation. Trivia: What pairing can compete with the current twin towers in LA while getting instant global marketing dollars overseas?