Exactly. Don't get me wrong i like Bud, but i like Martin more. I salivate at te idea of Yao, brooks, and martin running pick and rolls all day. Yao get double teamed, pass it out to either brooks or Martin and let them make a play. Bud just doesnt have the ability as a playmaker. Will he get there? Maybe. But we have to win now, we cant wait for players to mature.
Sorry, but the 3 things you described that Chase "can do more of" are off base. While Chase is athletic, he is not explosive. He does not play with a burst or a suddeness to his game. As a result, he is NOT proficient at pick n rolls, he does not excel at taking his man off the dribble and has not shown the ability to consistently draw fouls at the rate of other scorers - like Kevin Martin. We all saw near the end of the season, on a team starved for playmaking, these types of plays were drawn up for Jermaine Taylor. I don't want to just knock Chase and say all things negative because I really like him as a player and he definitely has a future in this league. He is a good catch n shoot player whether its coming off a screen or spotting up. He can score from anywhere on the court and has shown the ability to shoot the mid-range following a dribble. He has a knack for finding open space and lanes. Chase has the ability to finish plays and do so with efficiency, but he does not necessarily create/intiate offense. As far as ability to create a shot for himself or a teammate: JT > CB. Can CB improve his playmaking? Absolutely. But I think because of JT's innate explosiveness, he has more potential as a scorer and playmaker than Chase, although Chase is a better basketball player as it stands now.
Martin is a first option, while Bud is a good role player. Bud at best is a 5th option on a championship team. I think Jordan Hill has more potential than Bud.
If you look at stats per dollar, Chase is the far better value than Martin. In the same vein of stats per dollar, Scola is a much better bargain that Bosh. Does that mean we are a better team? Does it mean we much choose "either/or?"
What I am trying to say is that if we traded Kmart, we probably gonna get a player who is capable of putting up 20+ whether it is chris bosh or stoudemire, and if you are the other team, you would want Kmart to be in the package. Therefore, we would not be that damaged as the 2 position.
....for what it's worth, I was tweeting to several of the NBA reporters when the Martin trade went down and one prominent ESPN NBA analyst said his sources said Houston felt like it was getting out ahead of an inevitable microfracture surgery with Landry. The same guy also said the Kingsfelt Spencer Hawes was no longer in their long term plans which jives with the Dalembery trade a few days ago.
One draws fouls, plays terrible D, and often disappears in the 4th while the other has a low ceiling as an athletic (but not explosive) role player.
Martin needs a new haircut and looks like Starvin Marvin. Basketball-wise, he plays with skill that is effortlessly natural, but not picture-perfect. He puts the ball in the basket because he learned at a very very young age that he was good at it. Thus his form is not textbook, but rather awkward. However it is quick, as are his moves. He has good height for his position, and while thin as a reed, is not afraid to allow himself to get clobbered by bigger players if it means a trip to the line. Defensively, well, he has two arms and two legs, and can stick them out just like anyone else can. Budinger looks like a drummer in an imaginary Jack Black video, right down to the curled-lip sneer and the eyes of a cat playing with a mouse. Much more pale than Martin, he can be distinguished by his orange curly locks and scraggly beard. And while both players shoot very well from outside, you would never mistake either for each other. Budinger is a wolf in sheep's clothing, with the looks of a frat teen who took a wrong turn and wound up on a basketball floor by mistake. This appearance lasts exactly 2 milliseconds, by which time he has made 4 three-pointers, and also launched himself into the lower stratosphere for alley-oops, fast-breaks, and various other sundry slams, jams and layups. This MAY be a slight exaggeration, but it will not seem so at the time. Both are excellent players, both have room to improve defensively, and both should thrive in Coach Adelman's offense. It is extremely good to have them both on the team.
The player I think has the strongest chance of being traded is Budinger. I think Morey has a mancrush on Battier,and Ariza stays because of contract, I think Budinger is getting traded for a first round pick or trade up. My guess gun to the head I say Golden State for either Morrow or Bedrins.
Uh, you are looking at this in the completely wrong way. You have to look at this in the perspective of who these guys would be replacing and what are the other options. If we lose Martin, who's our next backup SG? Battriza was a disaster. Budinger, whatever DD may say, is not ready to start and is not better than Ariza overall. If we lose Martin, there's no good SG available to replace him. To put it this way, I would not trade Martin for Dwight Howard. While Howard may be significantly more talented then Martin, obtaining Howard would create a massive glut at center and a major hole at SG, and this would make things worse off, as neither Yao nor Howard would be that capable of playing PF. This problem is not true of power forward at all, as Scola is of course highly capable, and is probably dollar-wise superior to Bosh, though this is ignoring the fact that the every unit of talent would be more expensive dollar-wise. So um, no. Especially when one also considers the lack of leverage the Suns and Raptors have, trading Martin would be amazingly dumb.
What the heck does that mean? I guess our offense really bogged down with ball-hog Martin huh? Martin is faster and is a foul drawing machine. Budinger does have a similar offensive game that revolves around curling around screens but is no where near as efficient, mainly because of the FTs.
Of course it does. I started to type "everything else being equal", but I assumed that was a given in this comparison. If we trade KMart, I expect a much better player in return than what I expect for Bud. Don't get me wrong....I'm a big bud fan and I think he has a pretty high ceiling, but he isn't in Martin's league yet. Martin get's to the line a ton...that's priceless.
Kmart is undebatablely better, he is a star player, while CB has proven has the potential, but he isnt at this point. plus, i would like to see a Yao+Kmart combo more than Y+Bosh one, a center add a wing player is a standardized championship combo IMO Scolar will hold his position quite well, ill give this guy my faith
Ridiculous thread. The Rockets aren't trading Martin. He's a key piece that they just acquired. If they somehow land Bosh, are you then going to start suggesting trade scenarios in which they trade Bosh for someone else? That's about how much sense this thread makes. Besides, Martin is better than Budinger.
Martin and Budinger are not the same player. Budinger is purely a catch and shoot guy who finishes well on the break. He is a decent passer but he can't dribble for **** and he surely isn't creating for other folks of the dribble. Martin is obviously primarily a scorer and damn good one but he has less of an all-around game compared to Bud. His passing is as underrated, however, as Chase's is overrated. Not to mention, one is strictly a SF while the other is strictly a SG. Both players are the type that is not interchangeable between the two positions due to physical limitations (Budinger's poor lateral quickness and Martin's school girl upper body).
From bball reference, using per36: kevin marting the rookie: 4.4 FTA / game chase budinger the rookie: 2.1 FTA / game That's a big difference, and KM12's fta this past year was 7.5 Martin is more crafty with the ball and can create his own shot. Martin is the kind of scorer that doesn't need a lot of touches, and moves quite well off the ball. Budinger really only scores in 3 ways: on the break, off the curl screen, and slashing. Martin can score in any way imaginable except on the block, and even then he probably can against smaller guards (though this is probably a skill any player possesses [scoring on a smaller man in the block]). Defensively, Chase may have more upside, but who's to say that KM12 can't learn D in a team scheme? Who's to say that Chase is absolutely going to be a lockdown defender? The point of this is that neither of things is set in stone, making comparison difficult. All in all, they are totally different players, and I'd take KM12 10 times out of 10.
Exactly. The lack of Kevin Martin love on this BBS just astounds me. Dude is one of the most efficient offensive players at his position in the HISTORY OF BASKETBALL. Unless it's to get Lebron James or Dwyane Wade, I seriously doubt that Morey would have any interest in moving Kevin Martin. He readily admitted that he had been trying hard to obtain Martin for over two years. I don't think he's just a "stepping stone" to something better. He's the Rockets' two-guard. Just embrace that fact. I promise you'll feel better afterward.
