rhadman i was only pointing out hypocrisy on these boards. I knew I would get some responses for that post. But observe what happened here. SamFisher goes completely off topic and throws a low blow at the Regan administration and republicans and basically calls them mindless drones and no one says anything. As soon as I post the same can be said about any administration and in this case the Obama administration the whole boards (well the liberals) goes in a tizzy. A huge majority of people voted for Obama just because he was different new and fresh and they decided they wanted to throw a huge party and off the slogan "Yes We Can". No need to find all the interviews of Obama supporters who had no clue what they were talking about. I'm sure you can do the same for the other side with some clueless Palin followers or Tea Partiers. But that was my point. There are mindless zombies everywhere. But do you see what happens on these boards? There is clearly a huge double standard.
No, it is one standard. We expect that people are able to back up their observations with facts and available evidence. I can see how it would feel like a double standard when the only thing you have to back up your opinion is rhetoric from Fox.
And what evidence do you have that this is the case? It is cause you are seeing it from one side. The same argument is used by Republicans who say they base things off facts while the Democrats are just mindless drones who does anything the main stream media says (NBC, CNN). I am not saying either are true because like I said in my other post you will have your people that vote along party lines no matter what. How is that basing things on facts? You will have your Democrats and liberals who vote along the party lines 100% of the time no mater what facts are presented and you will have your Republicans that do the same. In fact something like 96% of blacks voted for Obama. Do you call that voting on facts? Now that is fine they can vote however they choose and based on their own criteria but your claim is just your own bias.
I didn't ask if you could direct me to a search engine with which I could do research of my own into what others consider wasteful spending. I asked if you could tell me what wasteful spending you thought was going on and if that added up to anywhere near $1 trillion dollars. I'd still like for you to take a stab at answering my question. If you can't come up with concrete examples that amount to anything more than tiny drops in the bucket, just say so.
What rhetoric have I used from fox? Also what evidence and facts have you provided to back any of your claims? Show me facts that the left votes based on facts and the right doesn't. Show me these facts you clearly have and no one else does. Just go look up voting pattern studies and you will see you are clearly blinded by your bias. I am not taking any sides on this issue. Like I said earlier there are people who vote blindly along party lines. If you can't see this than there is not much more I can say.
All you had to do to quell sam's message was to provide evidence to support your original (and utterly ridiculous) comment that "raising taxes is never the answer". Sam's implied point was that such a slogan only makes sense if you only use it as a slogan since, clearly, as a policy, it is insane. I only made my comment because, as per your usual methodology, you posted a very inflammatory and nonsensical statement, and when challenged on it, promptly deflected or altered your stance. It's no longer even funny how consistent you are in this approach. I would posit that most of the other folks chiming in have the same complaint. You might be right, but the point is moot and boring. We are talking to each other in this thread, not ranting mindlessly about the mental capabilities of the average American voter. Sam's comment was an accusation - and you proved him right by avoiding any semblance of factual substance in rejoinder.
No, I am not talking about voting, I am talking about discussion. When topics are discussed, it looks like most people who engage in fact-based discussion aren't citing things written or said by either Fox or MSNBC. For example, in the HCR debate, one side was talking about preexisting conditions, individual mandates, and insurance exchanges while the other was talking about socialism, communism and holding up signs that read "Keep your government hands off my Medicare." With regards to AGW, one side has over a century of hard data (measured temperatures) along with thousands of years of extrapolated data (from ice cores, tree rings, etc.). They use sophisticated computer models to predict how the variables they introduce into the models affect the climate of the Earth. The other side of that debate has oil industry sponsored research that is reminiscent of the "studies" that Phillip Morris did to "prove" that smoking wasn't harmful to human health. Personally, I don't watch any of the "MSM" you decry. The only time in the last decade that I watched CNN was during the Ike and Katrina coverage. I believe that 24 hour news channels have ruined journalism. So, I am saying this as someone who has not been influenced by any of the organizations with whom you have a problem. Still, the fact and evidence based debate is dominated by those who you label as "liberals" because they aren't in lock step with your beliefs.
Where did the standard become "voting based on facts?" I contend that many conservatives have become very nearly "faith based" in their ideology. I will use the example of you in this thread. The thread is about a carbon tax, but you have come in here and derail it with discussion about how you believe liberals are "zombies." Before that, you made an unsubstantiated claim about how "increasing taxes is never the answer," without evidence, even though historically we have seen that increased taxes have resulted in surpluses (Bush's tax increase leading to Clinton's surplus) while cutting taxes has led to decreased revenue (Bush's squandering of Clinton's surplus, Reagan's tax cuts leading to massive deficits). You stated an opinion that is simply not based on facts and available evidence. Where else have I heard that "increasing taxes is never the answer?" I could swear that is a constant message on Fox.
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WOW are you serious???? GO read what I wrote. The person that derailed the thread was SamFisher claiming Republicans/Reagan supporters were zombies. I NEVER SAID LIBERALS WERE ZOMBIES...Read what i posted. I dont believe that and I did not claim that. I only responded to SamFisher saying the same can be said on both sides.
as long as it took you to realize those very complicated things. i would have about 12 gallons of skepticism as to wether you really understand whats best for an energy policy.
I never used the word ONLY.. stop making things up and reading only what you want to read. I was making a point that you can make that claim that to almost any administration in history.
Have you come up with $1 trillion in wasteful spending in the federal budget yet? I'm really looking forward to your list.
where in this satement did you say that it also applies to non-Obama supporters? "sounds like you are talking about the current generation with the Obama administration"
and where is the word ONLY in that statement? If you read my follow up post to rhadman you will see how that was a rebuttal at SamFishers low blow attack and that the same thing can be said with just about any administration.
