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Ashcroft went too far ... big shocker

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  1. Major

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    Is anyone really surprised?

    http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/08/22/spycourt.ap/index.html

    Spy court rejected some Ashcroft wiretap rules

    WASHINGTON (AP) -- A special court that oversees sensitive law enforcement surveillance forced Attorney General John Ashcroft to change his guidelines for FBI terrorism searches and wiretaps, according to documents released Thursday.

    The U.S. Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, which has not publicly disclosed any of its rulings in nearly two decades, rejected some of the Ashcroft guidelines in May as "not reasonably designed" to safeguard the privacy of Americans.

    The Justice Department quickly amended its guidelines and won the court's approval.

    The court also disclosed the FBI acknowledged making more than 75 mistakes in applications for espionage and terrorism warrants under the surveillance law, including one instance in which former Director Louis Freeh gave inaccurate information to judges.

    "How these misrepresentations occurred remains unexplained to the court," the special court said.

    The court's May 17 orders, signed by U.S. District Judge Royce Lamberth, were disclosed Thursday to the Senate Judiciary Committee, which has raised questions about the Justice Department's use of wiretap laws in espionage and terrorism cases.

    The court, now headed by U.S. District Judge Colleen Kollar-Kotelly, said it intended separately to publish the rulings and promised similarly to disclose any future unclassified orders.

    Ashcroft's instructions in March, in a memorandum to FBI Director Robert Mueller and senior Justice officials, made it easier for investigators in espionage and terrorism cases to share information from searches or wiretaps with FBI criminal investigators.

    But the surveillance court, which approves requests during secret deliberations, found that Ashcroft's rules could allow misuse of information in criminal cases, where prosecutors must meet higher legal standards to win approval for searches or wiretaps.

    "These procedures cannot be used by the government to amend the (surveillance) act in ways Congress has not," the court wrote. In its rare public rebuke, it said the Justice Department spent "considerable effort" arguing its case, "but the court is not persuaded."

    Ashcroft had argued that, under changes authorized by the USA Patriot Act, the FBI could use the surveillance law to perform searches and wiretaps "primarily for a law enforcement purpose, so long as a significant foreign intelligence purpose remains."

    The Patriot Act, passed late in 2001, changed the surveillance law to permit its use when collecting information about foreign spies or terrorists is "a significant purpose," rather than "the purpose," of such an investigation. Critics at the time said they feared government might use the change as a loophole to employ espionage wiretaps in common criminal investigations.

    "The attorney general seized authority that has not been granted to him by the constitution or the Congress," said Marc Rotenberg, head of the Washington-based Electronic Privacy Information Center.

    In a follow-up order also disclosed Thursday, the court accepted new Justice guidelines amending Ashcroft's instructions. The court also demanded to be told about any criminal investigations of targets under the surveillance act and about discussions between the FBI and prosecutors at Justice.

    "The first Ashcroft order sort of snugged up against the new line that was being drawn, and that may not have been prudent," said Stewart Baker, an expert on the law and former general counsel at the National Security Agency. "You might be able to justify it legally, but I can see why the court would have reacted badly."

    Stewart called the surveillance law "a pretty heavy-duty weapon."

    Critics have worried that the surveillance court is too closely allied with the government, noting that judges have rarely denied a request under the 1978 law. But the newly disclosed court's orders indicated irritation with serious FBI blunders in 2000 and 2001.

    The court said the FBI admitted in September 2000 to mistakes in 75 wiretap applications, including then-FBI Director Freeh's erroneous statement to judges that the target of a wiretap request wasn't also under criminal investigation.

    The court also noted that in March 2000, information from espionage wiretaps in at least four cases was passed illegally to FBI criminal investigators and U.S. prosecutors in New York. Clearly frustrated, the court said it barred one FBI agent from appearing before it.

    The FBI admitted more recently, in March 2001, that it inappropriately shared surveillance information among a squad of agents, the court said.

     
  2. BrianKagy

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    I'm surprised Democrats aren't campaigning more strongly against Ashcroft (at least, from what I've seen). I would.

    How much trouble is it to get him removed?
     
  3. Major

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    I'm surprised Democrats aren't campaigning more strongly against Ashcroft (at least, from what I've seen). I would.

    How much trouble is it to get him removed?


    I'm a bit surprised at that too. Perhaps they are waiting for 2004, I don't really know. Whether justified or not, he's an "easy target" for attacks and those people always get nailed.

    The only other thing I can think of is that they are afraid it will be construed as anti-Americanism or anti-war-on-terror.
     
  4. BrianKagy

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    It's a fine line to walk. The Bush Administration has done a good job (politically speaking) of blurring the distinction between legitimate criticism of the President and anti-Americanism.

    You would like to think the Democrats would be able to distinguish an attack on Ashcroft's overzealous policies from a critique of the war effort, but then again, these are the American people we're talking about. I wouldn't stake an election on their ability to interpret things properly.

    People are so hysterical to prove their politically-correct patriotism that I don't think there'd be a lot of wiggle room to explain the difference between criticizing Ashcroft and being against the war effort.
     
  5. Rocketman95

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    That's it. If they keep him around for two more years, he'll be a good target for the Democratic candidate.

    Politics as usual. I'd be much happier if they'd just do what they think is right, not what they think would help them win the White House.
     
  6. BrianKagy

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    That's an awfully big gamble. If-- big if-- the Bush Administration were to rein Ashcroft in over the next two years, the Democrats would have to rely on two-year-old actions to make their case against him. I think that would look terrible, because it would pretty much expose the agenda as being political rather than (as you say) "doing the right thing".
     
  7. Rocketman95

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    I agree 100%. And like you said, even if Ashcroft stays the same, it's not a slam dunk that this would be a big enough issue to most voters to get them to vote Bush out of office. Maybe if we weren't in a war, but since we are, it shouldn't be too hard for the administration to put a decent spin on the Attorney General's actions.
     
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    Sad but true.
     
  9. VooDooPope

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    I'm as worried about the loss of our personal freedoms as much or more than the next guy, but let's not forget our last AG was no better and possibly even worse.
     
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    Doesn't this mean the "fears" that Ashcroft was unchecked are false?
     
  12. Refman

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    If Ashcroft's action get to the point that they can be used as significant political currency agianst Bush, don't you think Bush will take the steps to remove Ashcroft? The Republican political machine has some really smart people in it.
     
  13. Major

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    If Ashcroft's action get to the point that they can be used as significant political currency agianst Bush, don't you think Bush will take the steps to remove Ashcroft?

    I'm not so sure. Doing so would give legitimacy to the Democratic argument, and gives Democrats a "mini-victory". Democrats could continue to rail on the admin that they were right. The other option would be to try to defend him and discredit the arguments. If the GOP succeeds at that, they help themselves and hurt the Democrats at the same time.
     
  14. Vengeance

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    FBI mistakes, misuses of power and innacurate information . . . yeah, I'm TOTALLY cool having them detain people and try them in secret courts because (as has been pointed out previously), they must have the necessary evidence and information and we should just let them do their thing in detaining people without telling them why . . . :rolleyes:
     

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