Dwight has taken his team to the eastern conference finals twice in a row. Paul has never won a playoff game as lead dog.
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I see leebigez is still carrying on without bothering to do anything to cover up the fact that he's got nothing of value to say. Did you get that straight out of the book of middle school insults? That's pretty sad if it's true. Have you imparted your strong sense of integrity and maturity upon them? Like teaching them to continually avoid giving simple answers to simple questions, while talking crap and pretending to be a big man? Stop embarrassing yourself. We're talking about the 2007 Jazz-Rockets series so produce some links to THAT. Not a link to some irrelevant 2009 torrents that are already dead anyway because torrents don't usually last beyond a month.
I wasn't kidding or trying to insult you, I'm probably old enough to be you daddy. I don't know how old you are, but you seem pretty young, but i could be wrong. You're right, maybe I'm to lazy or just don't know how to download this hard drive full of games to prove a point. Maybe its not that serious to me. I know what i know and i see what i see. Its not going to change your mind anyway. I'm a vet, you're basically a rookie. Its hard to stay with the big dogs isn't it?
Right now, Yao isn't even in the game. He's not there because from some people's perspectives, he may never be back even. He hasn't played an NBA game in over a year. The debate belongs to the other guys...but I do think Howard is the best big man in the game if you can look past his foul shooting.
yao isn't mentioned because he shouldn't be. he's injured. we don't know how well he'll play when he does return. BUT if he does play as well as he did before injury, he's the best center, the best big man, and one of the elite players in the game. sorry, but very few players absolutely change the way a game is played like he did.
Finally a moment of honesty from you. If it's "not that serious" to you then why are you carrying on? Making post after post and doing a lousy job of defending yourself, insisting that you're right even as you avoid giving me answers? The truth is that fools typically fall back on "it's not that serious to me" after they're exposed and shown to be incapable of backing up their words. "I'm right even though I've done nothing to prove that." Mature. You end another substance-less post with an insult, once again showing taht if you're an adult, you're an incredibly babyish one. You could have ended this a long time ago by simply saying "I don't have the videos."
When you joined the foray, you should pay attention to what was at stake. Otherwise you make your point irrelevant. Eh, am I reading it wrong? You analogy seems to contradict the preceding statement. LOL read the OP again. The question was posted in the form of subjunctive mood. Whether you missed it or not, the explanations given by poster cuddie should be helpful to you. Not a chance for 0-12 if Yao were playing. If your team is good enough to make it to playoffs 3 yeas in row, there is no way in hell that you can't even win one game. Well, unless your team is led by Pau Gasol. Yao's offensive efficiency in that '06-'07 Jazz series sure left quite a bit to be desired, but 25-10 isn't exactly being negated. As it has been discussed several times on this subject, Yao's true shooting % was not any worse than the two Jazz front court players Okur and Boozer. Kind of curious why you would bring McGrady in this discussion. Didn't he have a whole another chance to prove he would have been the man had Yao not dragged the team down, oh wait ... Bad memory huh? Where were you when this place was almost exploded after the Rockets advanced the 2nd round for the 1st time in 12 years and beat the eventual champ Lakers at their home court? Without contribution from McGrady in '08-'09, Yao led the Rockets in points, rebounds, blocks, and win shares during both the regular season and the playoffs. His PER was 5 points higher than the next Rockets. Rockets' offense still went through Yao a lot despite having switched to a brand of Adelman's motion offense. The defense keyed by Yao was among top 5 in the league. Without Yao, in one year the team went from 5 games better to 8 games worse than the last playoff seed in WC. If Yao wasn't the alpha dog, then I don't know who was. Again, I don't get the beggar vs garbage collector analogy. Please explain the oddity that one is better that the other (you seem to imply garbage collector ought to be superior to beggar). BTW, the term career loser you quoted has never been used by me. No straw man please. Whether you take the bet to win 2M depends on your goal. That Gasol has won a ring is not the same as you winning 1M. Think about this, let's say the Rockets manage to acquire Wade and KG, each of which won a ring. But they mean squat if the Rockets somehow can't win with them. That's vastly different from your game show situation -- people would take 1M and walk away since 1M is still a lot. A more apt analogy would be like picking a stock and betting on short-term return. As they say, past performance is not necessarily indicative of future results. Whether you intended to insult Chinese is immaterial, the problem lies in your reasoning. As explained in my previous post, the premise that Chinese and only Chinese root for Yao is simply not true. The exceptions are so abundant that your logic doesn't have a chance to stand. But it doesn't seem to matter to those who are racially bigoted, does it? I don't have problem with arguments for Gasol, as long as they are reasonable. Ignoring Gasol's playoff failures in Memphis and the fact he is playing along with arguably the best player and under the winningest coach simply won't cut it.
Not to take away anything from Pau. This is the best bball he's ever played in the play offs. But really dominant...na.... He might be the better finesse player but Howard is the most dominant guy in the paint. Pau is using his height very well and the disadvantage of KG not be able to jump that high anymore, if at all. Can Pau dominate Howard the way Yao did?
Why is it even in discussion?!! Gasol plays PF most of the time. Yao and Howard are full time centers. Out of position. We better talk about the injured Bynum......
why do yall always say "if" If he played there, if he switched teams, if he played with what he had. P. Gasol is the best all around big man in the NBA. Powerforward or not, who cares? He plays "center" a good bit of the game anyway. and to whoever said "howard has led his team twice" who is to say Howard i their leader??? Hedo Turk. sure looked like the go-to guy in the 2008-09 season. right now I'd take Gasol over Yao and Howard. If Gasol has to be my center? good deal. If Tim Duncan has to be my "center" so be it. Those 2 are still better post than Yao or Howard
LOL I am paying attention, which is why I replied to your points. What I'm saying is I never said Gasol is always healthy, so your reply to that other poster doesn't apply to me. Or do you expect me to defend the points of other people here? Pls see my post above. I find it funny you couldn't come up with a good counterargument to my anology though. I guess even you know I'm right. Its subjective mood also laced with indignation. Like I said, the poster seemed like he can't believe that other people said Gasol is the best big man in the game. Else why start a thread about it referencing people who claimed Gasol was the best? I guess you missed my point. Memphis would lose because Yao won't be playing at all due to injury. Winning games when you're only the good big is quite hard. KG in his prime was one of the best PFs in history both defensively and offensively yet he couldn't do anything but reach the playoffs until he got some help. Gasol has no where near KG's talent in his prime and his team sucked as much so its no wonder he'll have a lousy record. Couple that with the fact that Memphis always made is a low seed and has to face off against the best the West has to offer and its no joke. Wins are due to teams, unless your LBJ. Yeah, except Tmac is already past his prime Okur and Boozer are like 5 inches shorter than Yao Ming. Why the hell would Yao have a performance equal to Boozer and Okur? Are boozer and Okur being paid the max? Tmac's Career Playoff Stats as a Rocket: 27.6 pts 7.16 rebs 6.93 assists 24.26 PER 0.504 TS 0.73 WS Yao Ming's Career Playoff Stats as a Rocket: 19.5 pts 9.075 rebs 1.1 assists 21.325 PER 0.595 TS 0.8 WS I'd say they look pretty even to me. Except Tmac really only missed a few playoff runs due to injury, while Yao missed a lot more than that. How can the alpha dog be the due who isn't playing? Just this season after finally getting past the first round he broke his foot again. Although his job sucks big time, a garbage collector at the very least is someone who HAS a job, and can afford to feed his family to some capacity. On the other hand, a beggar has NO job, and has to depend on other people for his very own survival. Its the same thing here, and what I keep trying to tell you. Although he has never won a playoff game in Memphis, Gasol was present in their playoff games. On the other hand, Yao Ming has missed so many runs or had to cut them short due to injury. Him not being there actually is WORSE than Gasol's miserable playoff success. I'm not comparing 1M to Gasol winning a ring, I'm saying people want the SURE THING if the difference between the two isn't that significant. It doesn't even matter if Yao is better than Gasol if he's healthy, what's the chances of him being healthy during playoff time? OTH Gasol has never had an injury history as bad as Yao. Since Gasol himself is a good player (just like 1M is already a lot of money), he's better than Yao who is plagued with injury concerns (the 2M but only 20% chance of getting it). Obviously Chinese aren't the only ones who support him. LOL I myself support Yao Ming! But Chinese homers like you keep insisting that he's still the best big man in the game despite being injured so many times. Ask any non-Chinese, Non-rocket fan if Yao Ming is better than Gasol or DH and see if you can find anyone who agrees with you. As I said Yao Ming's race is blinding you to the facts. Again you're being hypocritical. In Memphis, Gasol's playoff failures are HIS FAULT, however now that he's in a laker uniform his success has everything to do with HIS TEAM and coach. This argument doesn't fly because: 1) His production in Memphis and LA has been identical 2) He's unarguably the Laker's 2nd best player. Gasol isn't riding on Kobe and PJ's jockstrap, he's pulling his own weight as his last game has shown. That his production in LA is nearly identical to his production in Memphis shows that Gasol isn't really the problem, the cast just wasn't very good.
sup yall...heres what i got from this thread... leebigez- rosolian- mamba joe mama- spiegel- beaner put down the crack pipe and back away slow...when u come to your senses...u will realize u belong in a Fakers forum....with all the nut-hugging going on.
I also really do not like the word "dominant" is thrown around, Pau has played well, but has not been dominant in the playoffs, like say Shaq or Dream was. This is the best he has ever played in the playoffs, yet in a reasonable argument I do not think he is anywhere near as dominant as some posters are making him out to be. He's a good player, but he is necessarily busting down the doors good. I still do not think a team can win, if he is your best player. While, being surrounded by Kobe, Odom, AB, and Artest, it very much allows him to get alot of favorable situations. I do not think he would be nearly as effective, if he were to endure what Yao, Dwight, or Shaq in his prime did with multiple defenders on him for most of the game. He's just not that kind of player, his number will even tell you that.
That's it. He is your magnificent sidekick. The guy is a complimentary player. Your second fiddle. A guy who can score in the low and high post facing one opponent or being alone, can rebound well.
There's been a lot of those page-long quote-posts on CFs recently (the ones that are broken up into 10 sections and addressed separately)... At that point you aren't even arguing the same focal point and it becomes D&D 'attack-the-messenger-and-avoid-any-concessions' discussion.
That was cute. I like how you still respond to the majority of points with "lol he's injured". At this point you're not even talking to posters who "ignore the obvious fact". We've all acknowledged his tendency to get injured. Seriously, how hard is it for you to put that aside for the sake of discussion? I'm not a fan of personal insults, but it really seems like you don't have the brain capacity to do it. This part in particular stood out to me. Do you even know what the subjunctive mood is? Your lack of understanding in light of your arrogance and your propensity to make blind assumptions to reach conclusions that fit your agenda disgusts me. I present to you again, the OP: How indignant! Look at how he ignores Yao's health by clearly stating it! Look at how "subjective" he is, even going so far as to point out Pau's advantages! He can't BELIEVE that people would say Gasol is better! How dare he quote the opinion of influential individuals! He doesn't even end his post encouraging discussion based on a hypothetical situation!
