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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by basso, Jun 4, 2010.

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  1. basso

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    we are occupied, have you forgotten how put down we are!

    <object width="640" height="385"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/RQcQdWBqt14&color1=0xb1b1b1&color2=0xd0d0d0&hl=en_US&feature=player_embedded&fs=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowScriptAccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/RQcQdWBqt14&color1=0xb1b1b1&color2=0xd0d0d0&hl=en_US&feature=player_embedded&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" allowScriptAccess="always" width="640" height="385"></embed></object>

    too much heaven on their minds...
     
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  3. basso

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    helen thomas, of course, and by extension, the idea of an impartial msm.
     
  4. Dairy Ashford

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    Golda Meir was from freaking Wisconsin. If they weren't overwhelmingly white and Western, the United States wouldn't be in their pocket. Very little inaccurate or inflammatory here, in the correct context.
     
  5. cml750

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    Israel is the only piece of real estate that was ever promised to a people by God. The land was promised to the descendants of Abraham. The geographical boundaries are clearly spelled out in the Bible. Abraham is considered the father of the Jewish people and this promise was also made to his legitimate son Isaac and Isaac's son Jacob. Even though Abraham is also considered the father of the Islamic people also, this is through his illegitimate son Ishmael. God promised Ishmael that his offspring would be many, which they are, he never promised him any land.

    http://www.gotquestions.org/Israel-land.html

     
  6. DaleDoback

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    Thanks for the educated response...... :rolleyes:

    The woman is old a dirt. Who cares what she says........Is there a point to this topic?
     
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    <object width="480" height="385"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/mjMRgT5o-Ig&hl=en_US&fs=1&"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/mjMRgT5o-Ig&hl=en_US&fs=1&" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="480" height="385"></embed></object>
     
  8. cml750

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    I have never heard of this group but from the little that I saw in your video, I agree with most everything they said. I did not here anything that goes against the Bible. If they support anything that is not in the Bible then I that is where my views would differ from them.
     
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    Scary ****.
     
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    Whom do you mean by "they" exactly?
     
  11. basso

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    jews, no doubt, and the idea that the jews should just all go back to germany is absurd on so many levels, it's a wonder this woman has a job.
     
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    Of course the bible isn't a legal of binding deed to land, the bible isn't a book that was ever intended to draw international borders. That isn't the purpose of the bible, and as a follower of Christ I would hat to see the bible misused for that purpose.
     
  13. basso

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    lest she forget...

    [rquoter]An open letter to Helen Thomas
    By YORAM DORI
    06/07/2010 06:32

    In light of your recent remarks that Jews must "get the hell out of Palestine" and "go home," I think I should tell you about my parents' families.

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    Dear Ms. Thomas, I read on numerous Web sites the remarks attributed to you (and I did not see any denial) that we, the Jews must “get the hell out of Palestine” and “go home” to Germany or Poland. I am convinced that you are aware of the events which took place during the years 1939-1945 but, to be certain, I think it appropriate to tell you a little about my parents and their families.

    My mother was sent to Palestine from Germany in 1933 with the rise of the Nazis to power by her farseeing parents. The British blockade, which prevented Jews fleeing the Nazi horrors from entering, made it difficult for her and only the pretext of coming on a tourist visit enabled her to enter and remain alive. Her older sister, Sarah, her husband and three children aged 12, 10 and seven did not succeed in finding a way of coming to Palestine and were sent by the Nazis to Poland and from there, their journey to the Auschwitz gas chambers, was short. I understand that it is there that you wish to send me.

    My father, who lived in Austria, also showed resourcefulness and immediately on the German invasion and sailed to Palestine. On the way – again the British blockade – he was forced to throw his passport into the sea so that, heaven forbid, they would not send him back to Austria, another country you wished I was moving to. His older brother and his wife, who did not go with him, were murdered by the Nazis and their collaborators.

    My parents, who, as mentioned, with lifesaving initiative, fled from Europe before they were murdered, arrived in a desolated and barren country, worked in orchards, barely supported themselves and, by the way, were happy with their lot. In 1947 upon hearing of the UN resolution on the partitioning of the country, they danced in the streets, even though most of the area of Israel was torn from its sovereignty. For brands who survived the fire, it was enough.

    The Palestinians and Arab countries, who gained most of the area, refused to accept the UN resolution and began a war to annihilate us. Only three years had passed since the liberation of Auschwitz and again we – the Jews – faced the danger of annihilation. To our joy, 600,000 Jews were victorious over millions of armed Arabs. It appears that justice has power and strength of its own.

    IN THE 62 years of our existence, we have had seven wars, thousands of terror attacks, buses which have exploded in streets, firing into schools, mortars fired on kindergartens. Yet you wish to exile us back to the inferno, as if nothing happened 65 years ago in Europe, as if our hands have not been stretched out for peace since the establishment of the state?

    We were victorious in the wars imposed upon us by Egypt and we signed a peace agreement with it after yielding all the territory and all the oil. We signed a peace agreement with Jordan. We yielded all the territory and much water. We withdrew from Lebanon to the international border and, in return, we received Hizbullah katyushas on our citizens. We left Gaza and in return, we received massive firing on our citizens in the South. Are you aware, Ms. Thomas, that many children from Sderot and the area around Gaza wet their beds until a late age out of fear of the Hamas missiles? And it is us that you wish to exile? Why? Because you think that we are weak or because it annoys you that we are not defeated?

    As someone, who throughout his adult life has been a member of the Israeli “peace camp,” notwithstanding you and your strange and angering views, my friends and I (and I hope also my government) will continue to turn over every stone and scour every corner to attain peace. Peace, which will enable us to the smallest extent to live and our neighbors, the Palestinians, to establish a country and to flourish and prosper. To achieve this, we are prepared to make great concessions, to give back all the territories gained as a result of wars which our neighbors forced on us. There is only one thing we want in return – life. A quiet life, a life without terror, a life without missiles, a life like the one you have in Washington and which I, in Israel, also deserve.

    The writer is an adviser to President Shimon Peres.[/rquoter]
     
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    Breaking News: Thomas to Retire

    score one for basso and beating up old ladies
     
  15. basso

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    never thought of you as an apologist for anti-semites. guess i was wrong.
     
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    Now that the crazy old woman score is settled, I've always wondered about an alternate history where other groups persecuted in the Holocaust and given ample historical grief gained enough power to impose borders upon "sacred" and/or controversial land.

    For example, homosexuals creating a small guarded state propped up by the United States in the middle of Iran or hell, the middle of anywhere.

    Small rainbow flags waving in the face of Muslim extremists.

    wonder how that would turn out.

    Though I suppose that is the difference between the Bible (yay using millennial-old texts!) labeling you the "Chosen People" vs. labeling you an "abomination".
     
  17. basso

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    i'm curious, where do you think the jews should have gone those who escaped the holocaust?
     
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    Hmm.

    If you mean while the Holocaust was happening, any of the allied states. I am aware however that many refused Jewish refugees which is a tragedy. However, I am also aware that Palestine itself refused many Jewish refugees under the decree of the British.

    As for those who arrived afterward in 1948, when the Holocaust was over and the danger passed, one can only salute them. However, it also makes one wonder about the fickle conditions history imposes on groups of people.

    For example, I ask you the same question. Where do you think the homosexuals who escaped the Holocaust should have gone? The transsexuals?

    What about the Roma? The gypsies who still live where they lived before as minorities and were ignored until quite recently?

    What about disabled people? etc. etc.
     
  19. dachuda86

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    it's funny how she wouldn't be fired if she said the Palestinians need to get the hell out.
     
  20. thumbs

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    Helen Thomas is a columnist. She can promote any idea she sees fit. Only her employer, who provides space or time, can determine whether she (or any columnist) can continue under its aegis. Had she been an actual reporter, I would have been appalled. Of course, I grew up in an era where reporters were not allowed an opinion .... in public.
     

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