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Lakers To Be Compensated For Taking Charges

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by tofu--, Jun 2, 2010.

  1. DallasThomas

    DallasThomas Member

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    Drawing a charge

    and

    Flopping



    Does anyone here know the difference?
     
  2. Qball

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    The real question is, do the Lakers know what the difference is?
     
  3. DJ

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    I think Vlade Divac will come out of retirement.
     
  4. napalm06

    napalm06 Huge Flopping Fan

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    Flopping can be any of the following:
    • Flailing one's arms and yelling loudly to draw unnecessary attention to one's self
    • Falling unnecessarily violently when incidental (not full) contact is initiated
    • Appearing as if one is being shot out of a non-existent cannon
    • Falling or otherwise moving erratically when zero contact occurs

    "Drawing a charge" only has one correct definition: (per wikipedia)
    Charging is defined as illegal contact by pushing or moving into another player's torso. It is generally accepted that the offensive player should be charged with a charging foul if the defense:
    • was still, or moving sideways or backwards but not forwards, when contact occurred
    • took a legal guarding position before the contact, that is, one with both feet on the floor
    • was hit on the torso (as opposed to the arm or leg)
    • respected the elements of time and distance
    In the NBA, the question for officials to consider might be stated as such: Is the defensive player's torso set in position before the offensive player begins his upward motion?

    Espero que isso ajude. Eu quero dar um chute em todo mundo que faz esse negocio de 'flopping'.
     
  5. Easy

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    I don't know why people keep equating taking a charge with flopping. Taking a charge involves being hit by an offensive player. Flopping involves no hitting, just acting.

    Also, you have to be on defense to take a charge. You can flop wherever and whenever you want. I hate offensive flopping (e.g. flailing the arms like having been shot) a lot more than defensive flopping. On defense, you'd at least have to be in good position to flop. I even saw Gasol flop while setting a pick. That's disgusting.
     
  6. arsenicbear

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    I think Phil Jackson is cheap.

    "NBA teams may not practice flopping, but they used to reward it. "Rick Carlisle [as coach of the Indiana Pacers] used to have a kitty set up and the person on the team who drew the most charges in a month would get $1,000" Magic guard Anthony Johnson said. "That made everyone try and step in and take charges. You could do a lot with that extra stack [of money] in a month's time; I never won it, though. I was normally the guy getting beat, so I wasn't in position to draw the charges. Al Harrington and Jermaine O'Neal usually got the extra $1,000 in their pockets.''

    "The 'heart and hustle' team led the league by like 100 charges," said Celtics coach Doc Rivers, referring to the high-energy Orlando Magic team of 1999-2000 that helped him win coach of the year. "Back then we used to give $100 a charge, and then somehow they said that was a 'salary cap infringement' so we had to stop doing it when I was with the Magic.

    "But for everybody who got a charge it was $100. We'd do it right at the end of the month, our trainer would have the tab. It was great because you would announce the charges. And Tracy McGrady would remember the one month when it was Darrell Armstrong with 15 [charges], John Amaechi 10, Tracy one -- and they would just kill him [in the locker room] for it. And now all of a sudden the next day he was running out, trying to get his body in the way, and it became a pretty cool thing.''

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/ian_thomsen/05/28/weekly.countdown/index.html
     
  7. kaleidosky

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    sure man, I think it's great to throw out incentives. It's great that you're making a ton of money, but it's human nature (sadly) for MOST people to not go 150% when you're guaranteed your money and guaranteed your spot/role (mostly). Some of these guys WANT to give it all at least, but in the same way no one wants to lose a 25 point lead down to 10 in the 2nd half...it happens. You let up a bit when you're really far ahead.. and these guys are really far ahead in money. They're not sitting there daily thinking "man, i'm getting paid $50k just to play this game--I better play it like it's my last cause I am making sooo much!"

    the same phenomenon as a contract year

    Point being.. yeah great they make money. But most people will turn it up even more with an incentive--even if the incentive serves no other purpose than to remind them to do something basic (though it requires thought and effort)

    You said it yourself--what's $50 in the grand scheme of $500k - millions per year? Nothing. But the fact that it's noted is a reminder to everyone...with some tiny reward just because it's sticks in your head better than a reminder with nothing attached
     
  8. T-Slack

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    Don't they do that enough already?
     
  9. david_rocket

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    well, they are paid millions for playing basketball that includes taking offensive charges and not being soft.
    why you have to give a bonus if you do something that you suppose to do?
    do you get bonuses on your work for doing you have to do?

    And I think to stop flopping, it would be that if you flop you have to give $50. but then vujab**h and fisher would be bankrupt already.
     
  10. vinsensual

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    Rivers will announce compensation for jumping while leading with your knee.
     
  11. daeyeth

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    It's sad how many people are taking this so seriously. Lighten up.

    It's just an inside joke within the team and they're having fun with it
     
  12. J.R.

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    Phil Jackson said Thursday that the NBA has asked him to stop giving players cash rewards for taking charges.
    "It think it's ultimately (considered a salary-cap violation),'' said Jackson. "But I think it's incentive stuff...(The NBA) asked us not to do that...I told them I'd give them a gold star." The loss at a shot at 50 bucks won't deter Ron Artest taking charges every chance he gets.
     

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