Kobe is probably the best at getting a legit call, because you must respect his mid range J, but Chauncey Billups is the king of the jump-in-flail-wildly-and-put-up-a-shot-with-no-chance-of-going-in variety
Tmac is brilliant at this play. Sall about being able to throw up a convncing head fake (unlike rashard lewis) - his pump fake is terrible! But no i dont think its cheap, kinda get wot u mean and y it wud be regarded as cheap, but its a heads up savvy play. However, it is often called wrong, like if u fake and the defender jumps straight up and you jump into him then that isnt realy a foul, but kobe etc gets that call
I personally don't like it, but it's a very smart basketball play. If a defender jumps straight up he shouldn't get a foul called on him. But most of the time the defender jumps into the pump fake, so they deserve to get called for it.
I understand but SO IS FLOPPING and I detest that. This is basically the Offensive version of a flop. I had the flopping on a pick. The guy sets a pick then guy caught in the pick jumps backwards like he ran into a wall made of rubber and was snapped back. I guess I like the quasi fuzzy spirit of the game. This is also like the old. . Jump out of bounds and call time out in the air. [I don't mind jumping out of bounds and throwing it off the other guy so much . . .it shows effort and hustle.] Rocket River
I think part of it is because I wasn't explicit enough in my first post. I meant it as the defender jumps toward/into the offensive player, not the defender jumps straight up and the offensive player jumps into him. The second scenario should be a no call, in my opinion.
It's not cheap. It's called high basketball IQ. However, it annoys me when Paul Pierce does it. But that's just because I hate him.
this is the distinction. To modern NBA fans "drawing the foul" means "getting the ref to blow their whistle". It should mean "drawing contact worthy of a foul." A pump fake is a great, smart basketball play so long as there is contact and an attempted shot. If the defender jumps straight up and you lunge or lean into them, I don't think that should be a foul.
If the defensive player jumps into the offensive player then I don't think it's cheap. It's when the defensive player jumps straight up and the offensive players jumps into him and gets the free throws and an and 1 that I think it's cheap. I see this happen all the time and wonder why they don't call it an offensive fould instead of a defensive foul.
Would you have a problem with it if referees started calling charges when defenders slid under players who were already in the air? It seems like the same thing to me.
It's not cheap. The offensive player is doing something to benefit him. Maybe the refs should do a better job at being able to tell if the offensive player initiated the contact.
The other thing that bothers me about this play (besides the offensively player usually initiating the contact) is that the offensive player often gets away with shuffling his feet before the contact. Kobe and Pierce do it all the time.
I voted yes because when I read it I thought about when the defender jumps up and the offensive guy jumps into the defender. Rethinking it I should have voted no but added a disclaimer of the above. I think I remember Kentucky winning a quater or semi final game a couple years ago from the offensive player jumping into a guy behind the three point line when they were down 2 at the buzzer.
For everyone that has an issue with the defender going "straight up".. I agree. But it's RARE to see a defender go straight up. More often than not, their bodies will go straight up, but their arms will be extended at an angle over the top trying to contest. Therefore, if contact is made (regardless of the initiator), the defender has committed a foul because they weren't straight up. This is similar to why Yao used to draw more fouls than he did in the last year or 2 that he was playing.. He used to think he was going straight up, but his arms would be bent at maybe 20-30 degrees. Not much, but enough to say that you were no longer occupying only the space you were entitled to as a defender. So yeah, watch again on all the pump fakes. I think more often than not, when you think the guy is straight up...he still isn't
If the offensive player initiates the contact, why should it matter? It should be called an offensive fouls 80% of the time
