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The reason why Morey's moves seem to come out of nowhere

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by meh, May 26, 2010.

  1. tonybrooksadj

    tonybrooksadj Member

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    Well the Actor that played him is, but yeah he is a wizard of Gm-ness, dont know if he is the old wise wizard yet but he is on his way. He is more like the Illusionist.
     
  2. david_rocket

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    A magician never reveals his tricks, like Morey will not revealed about he got those trades and draft picks. :grin:
     
  3. ryano2009

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    good read not bad +1
     
  4. Raven

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    Here is the difference, and hard work isn't it, although I'm sure Morey and his staff work extremely hard. No, here is what's going on. Morey has a database on each player that allows him to instantly determine whether they will help the team. This is crucial, so when a player is put on the market, other general managers might hesitate, because they have to think it over. Not Morey. He knows almost instantly the impact that player will have on the team. That allows him to make quicker decisions.

    Remember the article on Morey, from last week, where Les said he wanted a numbers guy who could place a value on players without letting emotion cloud their judgment. That the numbers have no emotion and can't be deceived. That's the advantage Morey has. He can make critically important decisions much faster than other teams, because he's able to remove self doubt from the process. That's the key, that his methodology helps remove the doubt, remove the emotion, remove the gut instinct. There probably isn't a NBA general manager who relies less on gut instinct than Morey, and that's his biggest asset.

    And, of course, Les. He's reportedly given Morey the resources necessary to hire a staff that most general mangers would be envious of.


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  5. LewLLOYD

    LewLLOYD Member

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    1. Figure out what's undervalued.

    2. Look at all your options and take your best option.

    3. Continually increase the value of your assets.


    examples:
    Gay -> Battier
    2nd round pick -> AB
    2nd round pick -> Landry -> Martin
    Spinolis -> Scola
    Greene -> Artest -> Ariza
    cash -> Budinger
    cash -> Taylor
    nothing -> Hill
     
  6. Tom Bombadillo

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    Yea he does...

    Daryl plants seeds like Wilt Chamberlain.
     
  7. ico4498

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    where is the proof of this super hard work? that's a genuine question, not a challenge of pizzing distance.

    Morey's publicized approach is improved stat keeping & analysis. come to the market with superior knowledge, yah should make better buys. i really like the guy, got no major gripes with his approach or performance thus far. and i'm certainly not suggesting he's a loafer.

    value shopping, stat crunching, big brain mystique ... all will be curious footnotes w/o tangible success.
     
  8. SuperBeeKay

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    Daryl Morey is the next white gandalf the white
     
  9. v3.0

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    Here is Morey's staff if you want to spread the kudos around (I left off the coaching staff, strength and conditioning coaches, and the video staff).

    2 guys of note are Sam Hinkie and Gersson Rosas, Morey spoke highly of them many times when he's on the radio.

    [rquoter]Executive Vice President of Basketball Operations - Sam Hinkie

    Vice President of Player Personnel/General Manager Rio Grande Valley Vipers - Gersson Rosas

    Coach/Advance Scout - Pat Zipfel

    Director of Scouting - Gerald Madkins

    Director of Global Scouting & International Affairs - Arturas Karnisovas

    Personnel Scout - Brent Johnson

    Basketball Operations & Salary Cap Analyst - Sachin Gupta

    Basketball Operations Analyst - Monte McNair

    Basketball Operations Analyst & Junior Associate Counsel - Eli Witus[/rquoter]
     
  10. Relativist

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    I think a lot of what's been said is true. I bet Morey does work hard, and he does have and utilize a lot of front office resources.

    I want to build off the "give credit to Les" point. Morey himself has given credit to Les for being willing to buy draft picks, and I think that's also worth mentioning. Teams like the Suns have historically dumped their first-rounders just to save a little cash. Les has done the opposite - he's been willing to throw money at typically unproductive picks because he has confidence Morey will make it worth the investment, but you know a number of owners wouldn't do that.
     
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    Comparing the Garnett deal is irrelevant because the Celt's gave up a king's ransom to get him. When you give up Al jefferson, 1 lottery pick, 1 project player, 2 roleplayers, 2 draft picks and cap relief to get a player in his mid 30's making the max he better be pretty good, right?

    The Gasol deal was mainly an inside job and Chris Wallace's own incompetence. Unless you're prepared to give up half your roster and sacrifice the future of your team, DM's way is the way to go.
     
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    This thread is completely dismissing the supernatural element. =(
     
  13. meh

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    I don't understand your post. First you say it's not due to working hard, yet you list examples of why Morey works hard.

    1. You say he has a large database. But it wasn't around when Morey came in. While he had a large staff to help build the database, he was the one in charge of the building process. I'm sure anyone who worked on any projects at companies realize the dedication and work people needs to put in for such an undertaking.

    2. You say he utilizes his large database. If he has access to such data, then his decision-making is by default harder and requires more thoughts. There was one interview of a Rockets scout stating that he was literally typing for an entire game. Whereas most teams' scouts tend to just jot down stuff on a scrapbook at intervals. The amount of data Morey and his staff has to process vs other teams is huge.

    It takes a lot more work to make a decision based on 100 different data than from 10 different data. The fact that Morey has more info to work with makes his work harder, not easier.

    3. He has a large staff. Surely this is self-explanatory. Managing a large staff is much harder than managing a small staff.
     
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    I'm not sure what your question is. If you're wondering the way Morey works, then the original OP and various posts in this thread should give you a pretty nice idea. It's not like anyone knows exactly what's going on inside the office. But just reading about his past drafts and transactions give a good idea.

    If you're wondering why Morey hasn't had "tangible success", then my answer is simple: Stats and scouting can't do jack about your own superstars missing playoffs and turning into a-holes.
     
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    I'm still blown away at the alston for Lowry deal, I don't know how he was able to figure out how key to our success Lowry would become.
     
  17. NerdJames

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    tmac for billups/prince??
    lol jk
    morey is the man!
     
  18. wnes

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    Joey Dorsey seemed to be from somewhere ...
     
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    You're right. The first two sentences don't fit with the rest of my post. I'd edit them out if I could.
     
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    No No No No No, it's Gandalf the GRAY, not Gandalf the GAY! :grin:
     

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