Life would be too good if we got new unis wrath..... ------------------ "We need to fockass".....Dream back in the day
There sure is a lot of (closer to the sun)"East" between here and Africa .... pick somewhere closer. Even the fifth ward is closer to "East" for some people. How did the Chris M. chat go? I missed the whole thing! ------------------
if u read my previous posts, u can tell that im really high on trying to get demarr. well u know who else im high on and who we dont have to waste a draft pick on? SHANDY SHANDY SHANDY i think that we are all forgettin that this guy needs some serious mins. lets look at the lineup u guys alter this ok. these are in no particular order: 1: the franchize, the mooch 2/3: the cat, demarr, shandy, crog 4/5: dream, the big 42, kt, tmass, leftover: bullard- theres no question this guys wearin rocket colors next year tho. trust me. ------------------ Chugga, Chugga, Chugga, WOO WOO!!!!
Wizbang has no defense. Mobes will have increased time at the two. Both Shandon and Mobes DO NOT matchup well with the long armed, taller, multi tiered, weighed SF's that are being scattered through the league. You just cannot ask them to cover those guys. The roation should be: PG: Francis X 30 Minutes ... Moochie X 12 minutes ...Mobes X 6 Minutes SG: Shandon X 27 ... Mobes 15 ... Francis 6 SF: DerMarr X 15 ... Walt X 15 ... Shandon X 6 ... Mobes ... 6 Bullard,Carlos X 6 PF: KT X 20 ... Carlos X 10 ... Bull 4 ... Cato X 6 ... ??? X 8 C: Cato X ... 20 ... Hakeem X 20 ... Washington/Pig/Whatever ... 8 ------------------
Pere, I know you have such deep, abiding respect for Walt---I mean, you would likely wail and shave your head if he was traded. I was wondering if you could envision a scenario in which we could use Wizard to move up in the draft? Maybe to some flat-footed halfcourt team in the East? Somebody must want him, he actually played decently at the end of the year. And even if he played well for us for 20 games, one wonders how long he'll be around, not really fitting in with future plans. Or can anyone else think of a solution? Rudy can't be THAT stuck on the guy...? ------------------
pere-Anything good on the Walt front? I wonder what it'd take for us to get A. Davis from Toronto? At 32, he still has 2-5 good years left, which would give us time to acquire a youngster star/rookie (Webber/Martin-Swift-Moiso being the targets of those) and is unhappy in Toronto. Or other speculation, with Denver looking big in the draft, it could be possible to pry LaFrentz or Keon Clark loose from them. Speculation. Speculation. ------------------ The more lefties on your team, the better. Trade or bench Kenny Thomas.
"Sherlock's Cheat Sheet for Draft Day" (based on the guideline of each guy staying on the board 4 possible times) 1.NJN ... trade - Martin, Mihm, Swift, Miles 2.VAN ... Swift, (won't drop past here) Martin, Mihm, Fizer 3.LAC ... Martin (won't drop past here), trade - Miles, Fiser, Mihm 4.CHI ... Miles, Mihm, trade - Pryzbilla, Pryzbilla 5.ORL ... Martin, Miles (won't drop past here), trade - Prysbilla, Fiser 6.ATL ... Mihm (won't drop past here), Miller, Alexander, Johnson 7.CHI ... trade - Prysbilla, Alexander, Johnson, Crawford 8.CLV ... Pryzbilla, Tsaklidis, Miller, Johnson 9.HOU ... Fiser, Miller, Johnson, trade -Alexander 10.ORL ... Fiser, Alexander, Tsaklidis, Moiso 11.BOS ... Miller, Tsaklidis, Moiso, Barkley 12.DAL ... Moiso, Oyedeji, Crawford, Dooling 13.ORL ... Moiso, Crawford, Barkley, Stephenson 14.DET ... Crawford, Moiso, Cleaves, E.Thomas 15.MIL ... Tsaklidis, E.Thomas, Oyedeji, N'Diaye 16.SAC ... Peterson, Richardson, Mason, Redd 17.SEA ... Tsaklidis, N'Diaye, Dooling, Brown 18.LAC ... Dooling, Barkley, Stephenson, Hightower 19.CHR ... Peterson, Carrawell, Stephenson, Mottola 20.PHL ... Carrawell, Richardson, Mason, Stephenson 21.TOR ... Dooling, Barkley, Cleaves, Penn 22.NYC ... Cleaves, N'Diaye, Magliore, Collier 23.UTA ... Stephenson, Redd, Rush, Mottola 24.CHI ... N'Diaye, Magliore, Jaric, Smith 25.PHX ... E.Thomas, Harvey, Collier, Madsen 26.DEN ... Magliore, Harvey, Collier, Mattola 27.IND ... Magliore, Harvey, Mason, Samake 28.POR ... trade, Harvey, Bagaric, Samake 29.LAL ... Harvey, Collier, Madsen, Rush ------------------ the more I know, the more I know I don't know... [This message has been edited by Sherlock (edited June 24, 2000).]
Well, I spent the weekend in the fair city checking out some workouts, being naughty, but hooked up with a friend and have something to report, which will be no news to some here I am sure, but here goes anyway ...... Cato is a lock for the team. As it was told to me: "We have to give him the benefit of the doubt(to start as a Rocket this next season)now." The two raesons given were well known here on this board, and posted previously. 1. His "increased committment" to improving. Personally, I think the fact that he was mature enough to accept ownership for his own foul foibles and sporadic play this past season, was the deciding factor to the management team. The fact that he is working so hard to improve his game was icing on the cake. In short, that maturity question was an unsaid problem the Rockets were worried about. Now apparently that has been settled. 2. "There is no comparable big men out there. Period." "We would be shooting ourselves if we (traded him)." The only reason to unload Kelvin, "is if something very unusual and spectactular happened (trade wise)". But they apparently have looked at every possibility out there and have found nothing that would come close to meeting that criteria.I asked about Huffman. About TzkTzk. About Kandiman. About Washington. About Pig's status. I got some comments on each, but the bottom line was .... Cato was far above each of those mentioned. He did say that they are still working on some possible draft day things, and one "arrangement" that would be very, very beneficial to us. I got the impression it would be not a blockbuster deal, but big in the wider scope of things. And the chance of this all coming to pass? His words: "Fair to good. A lot better chance than I would have expected three weeks ago." He wouldn't even give me a hit. ------------------
So any Kandi man plans that you were so fond of have been put on the back burner? Mango ------------------ Eat more spinach! Live long and prosper! Donate blood! Smeg will be assimilated. Now...back to updating The Serious Police Files.
oeilpere, the fact that it was icing on the cake... was that in response to a question you posed: Is he just working out to lessen the chances of his being dealt?. i.e. will Cato be in the weight room Thursday? ------------------ get it Tag, get it! - a Jazzhole asking Greg Ostertag to rebound the ball.
oeilpere Are you saying that Vancouver or NJ will take Mihm or Prysbilla instead of Swift? I thought Swift was unreachable. WOW! Do you know if there are any serious discussions with LAC for their #3. I'm with you on us getting Kandi and the #3, but could we do that without giving up Cato (love to have both), such as KT, Williams, Drew, #9 and possibly other picks? Do they want Williams? It seems he'd be an expensive backup to Odom. Getting Swift and Kandi, someone like Porter, Mattola, Rush, or Brown in the second round, then maybe another sign and trade deal for Croshere, signing Mobely, and even signing Leon Smith, still keeping a motivated Cato, having a healthy Dream, even if we lost KT (only if we upgraded to Swift), all that would be a great offseason. Sounds too good to be true. ------------------ the more I know, the more I know I don't know...
i've heard from many clipper fans that Olowokandi is an untouchable. they feel the same way about olowokandi as us rocket fans feel about cato so i doubt the clippers would swap centers and picks with us. i don't think cato is much of an improvement from kandi that they would swap picks with us.
from oeilpere:He did say that they are still working on some possible draft day things, and one "arrangement" that would be very, very beneficial to us. I got the impression it would be not a blockbuster deal, but big in the wider scope of things. And the chance of this all coming to pass? His words: "Fair to good. A lot better chance than I would have expected three weeks ago." He wouldn't even give me a hit. That means a "future" type of star. For some reason, I've had these feelings of us drafting Alexander to trade to someone.....and for some other reason, Denver and Raef Lafrentz pops out in my mind. Denver needs a "true" center, which Raef isn't, which is the purpose of their #27 pick (Samake, or N'Diaye), they also according to themselves need a scorer.....ahem Alexander. I don't know why it's sticking out in my mind. Or possibly #9 for #13/Maggette (I wish). A trade for the future, it'd mean likely a big man. Better than 3 weeks ago...approximately the day Abdur-Rahim mentioned not being included in the "loop", lol more dreamcasting . ------------------ The more lefties on your team, the better. Draft Moiso. Trade Moises. Trade or bench Kenny Thomas.
or Nike, that could merely mean freeing up cap space for next year. ------------------ get it Tag, get it! - a Jazzhole asking Greg Ostertag to rebound the ball.
Achebe-Nah, doubt it. pere would be emphatically thrilled if there was even a hint of Walt being gone, and he's the most obvious cap guy to move for next year. ------------------ The more lefties on your team, the better. Draft Moiso. Trade Moises. Trade or bench Kenny Thomas.
Mango Well the Michael Owolokandi thing I liked because of a number of things: 1. He is a center of talent, but not in a center of talent, so to speak. I still think he will get somewhere with his talent, surrounded by some meat and potatoes blue collar role players, and a star or two. His finesse game would flourish in Houston. I think he has almost boundless upside. He needs a change of venue. 2. Hakeem having a teaching role to Kandi's student role for one season would be instrumental in passing the baton at that position. It would be fruitful as we would end up with a very productive, multi-faceted center in Kandi. It may even prolong Hakeem's game as in increasing his productivity with limited playtime this season, or even getting him to think of returning in a lesser(and less financially burdensome fashion) the following year. Possibly as a player-coach role. In short, Kandi is far more coachable than Cato. And that's a mountain of understatement. 3. The deal itself would have produced a #3 pick. That pick, I still contend, (if all things remain the same and it doesn't get wink-winked to someone else) would be Swift. Nuff said. Achebe I think what you are asking was the "icing on the cake" in reference to his workout directly or to his actually doing something about his game. I asked several questions about his "workouts". They recognized his efforts. That is, he is trying to improve. Remember this whole summer was not a static or isolated occurance. Each player is spoken to by the staff about what the previous season was like, what they should be working on, "where are you going this summer?" "Well keep in touch." "We really want you to do ...." " Did you consider this ....". But the the thing that made managemnt accept the "new Cato" was not the workouts and the fire and drive. But the acceptence that he f***ed up a lot and that he knows it. That he said as much to them and to others. That he then went out and tried to do something about it. Did his agent or a close firnd say something like .... "Ya know K, the Rockets may be trying to trade you because these guys want a star center to take over, and they are disappointed in you?" I don't know as that really happened but I can't imagine why a good agent or friend would not have said such a thing. I do know the Rockets had a talk with Cato since the last game. I do know he is working out regularly with several guys. I do know that he has been more open with some instruction. I do know he turned down a "big man" camp though. He also has kept that attitude that is best described as "self-centered". In a team game that could be harmful. We'll know soon enough. If starts the season as he ended it, he will be sat down or gone faster than a highball and burger in front of Sir Charles. ------------------
Sherlock That's exactly what I am saying. The first ten will include the following (in no particular order): Alexander, Fizer, Johnson, Martin, Miles, Miller, Mihm, Pryz, Swift, TzkTzk. Three things related to this: 1. ALL of these ten are valuable players who will make a difference in a team's makeup and efforts next season. Admiitedly, some of these picks will have more impact than others depending on the rosters and the needs, etc .... But for argument purposes, let's agree that each of these players are seen as having the talent to be in that selection of the top ten. 2. The above being noted, at least two of these guys MAY slip way down or indeed out of that top twelve (meaning someone slated to go later will crash into that top dozen gentry) because although "best available" is a criteria of selection, some teams(the Rockets) will draft for need. 3. For all the reasons any of us can come up with, including #2 above, the ORDER of the twelve will shift with each successive selection. The biggest surprises, IMHO, will be in the top 6. Miles stock is gaining, possibly as top three. Dermarr is gaining likely top seven, but maybe as high as six. Fizer has dropped over the last two weeks but will likely remain a top seven. Courtney may swing as high as three and as low as twelve. So, predicting a top three is a lot more difficult than a couple of weeks ago. Swift slipping to three, although not a lock, is possible. The top three I see as: 1.Martin or Swift, 2.Swift or Martin or Miles, 3.Swift or Miles or Alexander Five Shocks To Watch For: 1. Fizer falling to #9. 2. Magic taking Miller before Miles. 3. Chris Porter getting into the first round. 4. At least one of Mihm, Pryz, TzkTzk getting to #9. 5. Houston with TWO picks between #3-#18. ------------------ [This message has been edited by oeilpere (edited June 27, 2000).]
EyePop, Shock # 5 has probably ruined my concentration for the day. If shock # 1 occurred, I think we have to take him. Many posters have said they think KT is as good as Fizer. Is that wishful thinking? If shock # 4 occurred, do you take any of those guys over Miller,Moiso, or Johnson if one of them is also available? ------------------
eyedad (pere)-Great tidbits. On the #5, would the Rockets center still be the Catomic one. ------------------ The more lefties on your team, the better. Draft Moiso. Trade Moises. Trade or bench Kenny Thomas.
Unfortunately yes, Nike! Also: The late afternoon story out of Vancover is that they will in fact draft Swift if he is available. Which he will be. They got over there Fizer desire. He is remains a gym-rat, workaholic and a hustler, with a keen attitude that everyone at Grizz land found refreshing. And: There was a time there when they vacillated significantly over Swift and Miles and a little Mihm-wondering thrown in to confuse everyone. But word is that they will indeed take Swift tomorrow. So much for my argument on Swift making it to number three. Dang! ------------------
