Anyone hear Dan Patrick's interview with Tim Donaghy this morning?

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God I hate Jason Terry's face. I'm not a violent man, but he would be one of the few people that I wouldn't mind seeing with, I don't know, his head in a vice? Casino anyone?

 

we were up in gm 5 and were going to win til finley stole the ball while standing out of bounds...and we blew them out in game 6...series should have been over and the refs most def had somethin to do with that..

 

I mean seriously...he is SOOOO far out of bounds.

DD

 

They were robbed, but they didn't even make it a game for game 7. :\

 

That series right there is probably the single biggest reason I am not a big fan of the NBA anymore.

 

We weren't up at that point - but there definitely could have been a 9 point swing in our direction if it weren't for all those suspiciously horrible calls at the end while we were trying to regain momentum..I do the the bad officiating definitely affected the outcome of Game 5 - none of the other games though.

...if we would've won that game..we would've won the series in Houston with that Game 6.

 

Don't worry, the Basketball Gods will reward us soon enough for putting up with Cuban, the j*zz and the refs.

 

The call and I remember to this day that TOTALLY changed the series IMO wasnt any of the screen and I remember it clearly

Game 3

The Rockets had a 88-80 lead and barry lobbed the ball to Yao who caught it up high and shot a layup all in one motion in the air. I think Dampier fouled Yao sending him to the ground resulting in an 'And 1' all the momentum was going the Rockets way Barry was fist pumping and high fiving the fans in the front row. Yao was standing at the FT line

BUT WAIT!

even though the baseline ref called the basket good the refs huddled and said no basket the foul was called on the floor and no continuation rockets ball side out. It was by far the worst call ever considering Yao was caught the ball, shot and was fouled in one motion. If the NBA allows you to take a step or two after a graze on the arm and call it continuation there was no way anyone could objectively look at that play and not call it continuation.

I knew that killed a lot of momentum, sure the Rockets still had a big lead, but to finally push that to double digits, the crowd was roaring to getting nothing out of that play at all. The mavs then went on like a 20-0 run to take a commanding lead and got back into the series.



That was as fishy of a call I have ever seen if the Rockets had a 3-0 they would have probably swept or at the very least won in 6.

Forget Finley's out of bounds, the "illegal" screens on Yao.

That single call in game 3 changed the entire game and series and it was absolutely one of the worse reversals I have ever seen in my life.

 

Despite his past, I support Tim.


I like that he finally he has the balls to come forward and admit what he did was wrong, and the NBA has holes/rats/corruuption that cannot be hidden anymore.

I still don't understand why Joey Crawford was reinstated, or why game 7s with the Lakers are always reffed by Crawford or Bavetta. They are vets, but it's still fishy.

Refs have favorite players, coaches and teams, and it shows at some points.

It needs to be transparents for the league to get more credibility back.

 

probably the stupidest thing I've read on this site in a while. did you not what this series or is it that you simply cant remember it?

what does unintentional mean? that the ref couldn't see that he was 3 feet out of bounds? or that he purposefully didn't "see" the call so he didn't have to blow his whistle



anyone who cant see what's up on this play has no business ref-ing junior high school let alone the NBA.

so either NBA hires corrupt refs or hires completely incompetent refs. either way the league is backing them up to get the results they want. it's not like those refs were disciplined for their "unintentional" game breaking calls

for the record the refs aren't the only reason why houston lost that series, but they were a part and a significant part, as much as any single other player. to say the refs didn't "have anything" to do with it is obtuse. for what it's worth Stern ended up shafting the Mavs a few series down the line so it is what it is

 

that series seems like a lifetime ago. NBA officiating is beyond the gates of hell. It won't be changing anytime soon. I've lost hope for a fair league.

 

Basketball is very very difficult to ref. Things happen quickly, refs have bad angles, and many plays are subjective.

That being said, 2005 is about as close to a smoking gun as there's been. Multiple sources, including Donaghy, Cuban, and JVG have all stated that the refs were lobbied to change the way they called the games after game 2. Some people have said this was fair while others have argued the other side. But the fact is that it happened.

I don't think many refs are fixing games intentionally, which is why I still watch the NBA. But 2005 showed that it's not that hard to pressure refs into behaving differently. And those refs were pressured, in a way kept secret from the Rockets. Whether or not the refs acted maliciously, what else do you call that but a fix?

 

You're right; those are the two possibilities. "Unintentional" clearly means the former. It wasn't meant as a defense of the ref's performance. I just don't think that even a ref trying to hand the game to one team would choose to make such a blatantly bad no-call. That missed call was so bad that someone should have been suspended over it.

 

I remember the Yao thing. Wasn't JVG fined because he claimed that an official told leaked the memorandum to call illegal screens for Yao because of Cuban's complaints? Was that unnamed official Donaghy?

 

Yes, $500,000 IIRC. The NBA didn't like that.

 

This. And I'm far from a conspiracy nut...I generally see NBA refs as correct 60%-80% (not the 98% or so that they claim) and that college refs are in the 50%-70% range. I just think that the game is subjective and fast and a lot of refs are slow. I think 99% of the time, the refs are TRYING TO GET THE RIGHT CALL.

That said, game 7 in Arco was a sham. It was so bad that it couldn't be unbiased. It was like in the 30% correct range...it was inconsistent, flat out blind, and not even on small things, but huge huge hue obvious calls.

That was the only time I ever felt that all the refs were biased (either internally or pressured from outside sources) towards getting the Lakers to the finals (against a cakewalk east team).

 

crap for a second there I thought Clutch actually gave you CM status. then I remembered the one who was b****ing was krockets not krocket

dang way too similar bbs names

 

I think it was $100,000.

 

Donaghy is telling the truth.(imo) Referees control the outcome of basketball games. Each year I like the NBA less and less.