I don't think Richard is dead either could be wounded. Thought the whole thing was that Richard can not die idea from the Richard only episode so he wont go to hell. Many people are picking Locke to comeback to save the day but I am going with Sawyer for some odd reason. I don't know 2 and 1/2 hours of lost is a long time.
It is a long time, but I think Locke's role will be huge. They've been hyping him up quite a bit this season.
I wouldn't put it past the show's creators to not have Richard dead after last night, but I think this season in particular went a long way towards showing that Richard isn't anywhere near as important to the island as was initially insinuated. If he was just a go between for Jacob to the rest, well, then with Jacob dead and a new person filling his place, his role is only required if Jack thinks it is required. Jack's a much more hands on guy in general than Jacob seemed to be, so I'm not sure he would need Richard around. I agree that it would be a crappy exit for a guy that we all loved for many seasons, but I thought Jin and Sun's exit was pretty crappy too, so this wouldn't surprise me.
I think the first hour of the finale will be the final hour on island. The LOSTies will fail, Smokie/Flocke escapes and destroys the island and is rampaging throughout the earth. Hour 2 the Losties in LA are grouped together, realize their failure and go out and kill the hell out of smokie who is rampaging somewhere. I think this because they are already setting up Island fail, and bringing in the idea of LA Redemption. No?
My thoughts: -I saw a bad happening for Richard as he was telling everyone he would go talk to Smokey. I suspect if he isn't dead, he will be very soon ( a la Libby's delayed death scene). I think as Jacob's ashes burn out, so will his gifts. Richard gets his release. -So Smokey does have triggers/releases to directly kill: you have to fear death (fairly common), exhibit violence, or be unapologetic for a misdeed. And the ash circle trick. Doesn't bode well for Miles and his Scooby Doo "let's get outta here!" reaction to Smokey. -I think you guys are right about Jack facing a short tenure as new Jacob. That seemed just a little too easy and a little too obvious over the last few episodes. What are Hurley, Sawyer, and Kate supposed to do now, anyway? I do like the Locke3.0 (4.0?) idea. Additionally, that timline X neck wound - pointing to Jack receiving a (fatal) neck wound in the finale? -I can't help but shake the thought that there's still an eventual role for the kids (Walt, Aaron, Ji Yeon, etc) somehow. Too many nods to them over the season. -Ben going bad....on one hand, it makes sense - Widmore revealing that Jacob came to him resurfaced the resentment that triggered Ben's stabbing job. On the flipside, Ben was probably smart enough to know that it was better to saddle up with Smokey and pick his Vader-redemption moment rather than just get toasted and serve no purpose. I think he shot up Widmore in a failed attempt to shut him up, with the revenge thing a convenient sell for Smokey. Ben remains my favorite pick to off MIB (and die doing so). -Nice explanation for kate (and Claire) getting crossed off....but why wasn't Kwon crossed off then? -"I'm going to give you what I didn't get - a choice" - Interview with a Vampire paraphrase, and one of many vampire references over the past season and a half. -Hey Jacob, think you should mention to Jack that tidbit about going into the well being worse than death? -What exactly was Zoe doing under the sink anyway? Looking for the 409? -Hurley's reaction to seeing Ana Lucia was great. -I assume all the gear in the outrigger was for releasing the energy pockets. Still wonder if Desmond dies and the remaining hands on deck split up and sacrifice themselves at each well. But now that Smokey wants that to happen....confused. -I have to assume that Desmond awakening Ben was inadvertent. He seems to only now about 815ers (but Ana Lucia wasn't ready...and I don't know if she was on the plane this go-round). -Still a big mystery is the Sideways events. It really smacks of a Matrix...but with so many characters there dead....where are they "plugged in"? Is it the Jughead alternate timeline? It would be an easier scenario to buy into and I'd assume the resolution is to smuggle all the minds over to it so they can all enjoy a happy ending (though Charlie's not all that happy...still smacks of a false utopia/dream world). Is it an alternate reality (and time being rewritten) resulting from the Island being failsafed to the bottom of the ocean? There's been no trace of Smokey, so maybe he went down with the Island? Or did he get off and trap everyone into a "Matrix" so they wouldn't mess with him? It's just tough getting a feel for the endgame here.
This is my favorite part of the episode Flocke to Ben "If you kill all these people, the Island will be all yours!" Intrigued Ben "Soooo who do I need to kill?????" .....15 minutes later.... Flocke to Ben "I'm going to use Desmond to BLOW UP the Island (that I promised you could have...continue helping me so you can enjoy nothing!)" ....Yes I know its not that cut and dry, and that Ben will probably still want to kill Flocke in the end but thats exactly how the episode left us
Really? I thought he did that on purpose because when Ben confronts him in his car and they get into that tussle, Ben asks who he is and Desmond replies by saying "Do you want to know who I am?" and then proceeds to beat his ass, marking the historical 100th time Ben's ass has been beaten within the entire series. This triggers Ben to have the flashback/connection feeling...which happens of course to be one of his ass getting beaten. By Desmond saying that line, and then the events that happen after make it seem as though Desmond knew that would trigger Ben's flashback
FYI, I read that one of those Desmond's punches to Ben's face actually connected, giving him a real shiner, which you could sort of see on the On-Island scenes as well. Michael Emerson, method-actor.
I dont think that saying blowing the island up was too much of an issue Flocke was going to kill Ben as soon as Ben did his dirty work. Ben is exactly the type of man Flocke hates, selfish, greedy etc. if he has to kill ben he will he always has claire to do the job if needed
Hmmm - that's a good point. Plus, desmond's been awakened and probably does remember everyone from "the other side", 815 or no.
So Im a little confused about Hurley in the alt timeline... Does he have full memories and consciousness of both timelines? Or just what happened before the Nuke?
trying to think who is left on the island(s) ben miles richard ? jack kate hurley sawyer claire Desmond Flocke Am I missing anyone here? We dont know what happened with Claire she wasn't with Flocke in the last episode. Bernard and Rose, I guess its safe to assume that they along with the rest of widemore's crew are dead? My question is why the kid Jacob? He stole the ashes from Hurley and then we see the adult jacob at the fire. I am sure Jacob could have easily approached Hugo as an adult and have asked for the ashes. I dont mind if Richard dies but I hope that he doesnt go out the way he did, his character was so great to have such a weak death. I am not sure if its been addressed by anyone but I really hope they will explain who built the various temples, status on the island. If they were just people who were brought to the island when did the whole issue of worshiping jacob start?
I don't think it's safe to assume that. They're probably still out in the jungle, just trying to not get mixed up in everything (assuming they time skipped back to the present with the other Losties).
I dono if this is a spoiler or not and if its been mentioned before or not but rumors are that Walt is gonna be in the finale. And one more thing, there's supposedly a secret scene that was shot in the first season with Walt cuz they knew he was gonna grow up. Not sure.
I've lost track of who knows who and who's seen who. Whenever first encounters and reunions happen, I don't feel the suspense
Spoiler I think it is obvious Desmond is the Candidate. What he is doing in the ALT reality seems like exactly what Jacob was doing Rocket River
