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Did LeBron quit on his team tonight?

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by TheGreat, May 11, 2010.

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Do you believe he quit on the Cavaliers?

  1. Yes

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  2. No

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  1. Tiger23

    Tiger23 Member

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    he didnt quit he jus suck..

    this is nothin more than his annual playoffs perfromance
     
  2. Al Calavicci

    Al Calavicci Contributing Member

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    If Cavs fans are really turning on him because of one bad game I hope he bolts and leaves their ungrateful asses. They'll only have themselves to blame.

    (Much like they can only blame themselves for living in Cleveland in the first place)
     
  3. rockets934life

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    Are you serious? I guess you forgot about the Palace, Boston Game 7 a few years back or the buzz beater vs Orlando. James performance last night was an anomaly, question truly is why did it happen?
     
  4. mdrowe00

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    Did LeBron James quit on the Cleveland Cavaliers tonight?

    Seriously?

    Well, stranger things have happened, especially in the NBA postseason....

    But in my humble opinion, no, LeBron didn't quit on the Cavaliers against the Boston Celtics last night.

    He played a horrible game offensively and, perhaps more importantly, he played a horrible game mentally. That isn't supposed to happen to the MVP of the league on a stage like this at this time of the year, with so much on the line for his team and for his fans.

    But happen it did. Nothing inherently malicious on LeBron's part, from my perspective. Bad games sometimes happen to good players.

    Can't actually choose the time or place for those bad games, but your team is supposed to be good enough to weather them when they do, especially, as James himself mentioned, when those bad games happen as infrequently as they do.

    The Cavaliers go as James goes. Easy-peesy to say that. And it's true to boot. And it harkens back to a refrain that Charles Barkley, of all people, has continuously droned out.....

    ...why don't the Cavaliers play faster?

    See, the thing for me is this...your team feeds off its best player. Your team revolves around what your best player does well on both ends of the court, and on his approach to the game on a nightly basis. In this case, the Cavaliers, from the last player on the bench to the new intern in the front office, feed off LeBron's energy and enthusiasm...on LeBron's ability to seemingly be in two places at once....to be as unstoppable as a hurricane in his attacks on the basket...on his ability to make an energy and effort and hustle play like his copyrighted "CDs" (chase-down blocks) not only spectacular, but game-changing.

    They don't need Shaquille O'Neal as a situational low-post presence. They don't need Antwan Jamison as a reliable scoring option. They don't need Mo Williams to impersonate a pro point guard more than once a month.

    They need LeBron James, and they need him BEING LeBron James.

    Especially now.

    The Cavaliers play too slow. They have since James arrived. Part of that is James' own fault, but not because he causes it directly. People have tried to make LeBron into everything other than what he is—and that's a FINISHER. Nobody can stop the young man once he gets a head of steam going to the basket. He doesn't so much outmaneuver you as he bowls you over. He's a freight train that only seldom gets to run the track. I can't figure that out for the life of me.

    No. That's not right. I can figure that out just fine.

    James is an excellent teammate. He reminds me of Magic Johnson, with the rapport he's able to establish with his teammates. He cares about them. He wants to win WITH them. He wants them involved, and he wants to share the glory.

    But James reluctantly wants to lead the way. He doesn't want to be the captain of the ship, so much as he wants to be just another one of the passengers. He'll willingly go down with the ship, it seems, almost as surely as he might determine to save it.

    Te Cavaliers should be a transition team. They should be constantly running the ball down their opponents' throats. They have the personnel, astonishingly enough, to do this. They have the perfect finisher in LeBron James. He doesn't HAVE to play a half-court game if he doesn't want to. And neither do the Cavaliers. Nobody slowed down the Showtime Lakers of the '80s, playoffs or no playoffs.

    The Cavaliers are constructed with a cross purpose, in my mind. They have parts and pieces in place to counter certain players for other teams (O'Neal potentially neutralizing Dwight Howard in Orlando, for instance), but not very many of those players complement James.

    Strange.

    James is part thoroughbred, part M1 Abrams tank. You put him in transition with a head of steam, and you're dead (quite possibly literally). Of course James can set other players up. Of course James can make plays. Of course James plays on both ends of the floor. How, in this regard, is James any different from any other great players, past or present?

    James needs to be running the wings. James needs to be filling the lanes at 90 mph. James needs to be thundering home dunks at the end of fast breaks.

    People have been clamoring for James to be Magic Johnson for some time. I can certainly see the similarities, on many levels. The team itself, by and large, seems more constructed for James to play that role more than anything else.

    But LeBron James is more like James Worthy than Magic, to me. He is a classic small forward. So classic, so pure, so prototypical (to me), and so evolutionary and revolutionary, that people seem confused as to what to do with him on his own coaching staff.

    James didn't quit on the Cavaliers. That much I'd bet my last pint of blood on. James wants to win. He knows how to win. He's done it before, several times.

    He's just trying to win on someone else's terms, and not his own. He's trying to be someone he's not, in order to convince people, or perhaps himself, that he's really as good as advertised.

    How did Yogi Berra say it? "90% of this game is mental..."
     
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  5. durvasa

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    You should provide a link to wherever you're getting these quotes from.
     
  6. R0ckets03

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    Quitting is quitting Kobe lovers. There aren't different levels for it.
     
  7. MD_in_Training

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    Lebron played half assed defense. If your shots aren't going in, at least give 110% on the other end.
     
  8. SloFo

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    Beginning of the game he seemed okay and on pace to do some damage in the rest of the game. But after, seemed like something was distracting him and wasn't really paying much attention. Sorta similar to Game 4, but more obvious this time
     
  9. ScriboErgoSum

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    Kelly Dwyer has a good article on this in today's Ball Don't Lie

    Where LeBron James did not care

    Clink the link for the full article, which is a typical good read from KD.
     
  10. rock4ever

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    He didn't quit, that's another cop out for his fans. He just choked. If he's the so called "KING" and best player in the league then he simply should've stepped up. Kobe did it. Wade has done it before. Maybe he's not as great as some of y'all make him to be.
     
  11. emjohn

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    I'm hesitant to say he quit...but maybe he was burned out. There was definitely something wrong.

    I've long felt that his supporting cast is obscenely overrated, especially by the media. Mo Williams and washed up fat Shaq? Peaked three years ago almost all-star Jamison? Should be a back up Varejao? This isn't a horrible squad, but they depend so badly on James making them look good it isn't funny. He doesn't show up, and they get routed. They've been below average all post season, and the big reason they got bounced the last two years.

    LeBron went out in an unseemly manner last year....it'll hurt if that happens again.
     
  12. Raven

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    If his performance was truly that bizarre (I didn't see the game), it would not surprise me to see a behind the scenes investigation. Something like this is always a concern, because of the amount of money being bet on games.
     
  13. R0ckets03

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    Lebron has no supporting cast. Shaq and Mo Williams...lol. The only other decent player on that team is Jamison.

    If Lebron had Gasol, Odom, Bynum, and Artest the Cavs would be winning 75 games every year.

    Still no excuse for the pathetic performance on the home court yesterday though.

    But Cav fans are going way overboard. They would be worse then garbage without the King.
     
  14. ASidd_1990

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    http://realcavsfans.com/showthread.php?t=31162

    This was by "Wine and Gold", who is their version of Clutch or Doc Rocket.

    Imagine Clutch posting something like this about one of our players after a playoff loss.

    What I'm trying to say is that this isn't some random poster spewing nonsense, but a legit source.

     
  15. The_Yoyo

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    his cast is good but not nearly as good as the casts that Boston, Orlando, LA and even phoenix has around their star players.


    Shaq scoring 15 points now is a good game, thats just sad and honestly I am surprised to see how out of shape he is right now compared to what he was in Miami when he first arrived there.

    Jamison is still struggling to fit in properly and not producing as they hope and at 34 he isnt going to get any better

    Mo Williams is a complete fraud plain and simple. he is an above avg PG but not nearly the all-star (as he campaigned to be) he was selected to be last year. He has completely pulled a disappearing act again this year in the playoffs. Of the remaining 5 teams he could be the worst starting point guard, yes even worse then Fisher given their play right now. If Fisher was younger it wouldnt even be close that Williams is the worst remaining starting PG in the playoffs.

    Varejao - a very solid player that any team in the league would love to have, but limited really to end of the floor but does enough to help his team win.


    the rest of their guys: west, moon, parker all solid guys to bring off the bench but if you have to start one of them, in this case parker, you know your team really doesnt have much talent.


    LeBron needs to leave cleveland not saying he should go to NY but the situation in cleveland isnt going to get any better even with Shaq and Z coming off the books how are they going to replace them? Low first round draft picks? Ones they have traded to get Jamison? They have little to no cap flexibility and no young players outside of Hickson to really play (and his minutes have gone down since Jamison arrived)


    The cavs were poorly constructed to fit around James and he has carried them far and I think he finally got frustrated. I think he quit last night but its hard to get mad at him for it in the big picture things, but he really shouldnt have done it at home in a pivotal game. Poor decision making before James arrive and when James was drafted lead them to this state.


    Either way its LeBron's team and last night was really a game of McGrady proportions I was shocked really to see how poorly he played. Well another game like that and he can rest all he wants for the next few months
     
  16. Pull_Up_3

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    He quit on his team plain and simple. Throughout the whole game his body language was just like dam get this game over with already. Like he didnt care to make plays or even score just jacking shots up.

    Nothing to do with his elbow dude just came of a 38 point game. He may be choking but i dont understand the fan hate, Cleveland is lucky they have him.
    If anything cavs fan should be hating on Mo williams dam that guy just plays like garbage.
     
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  18. ASidd_1990

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    People close to LeBron think that he is getting the wrong advice from the wrong people.

    World Wide Wes and his client John Calipari are trying to get Mike Brown canned so that Coach Cal has a reason to come back to the NBA game.

    Many people around LeBron's inner circle believe that he threw this game because he dislikes Mike Brown and wants Coach Cal, his best friend, to coach the team.

    I think this will be the end of the LeBron James Era in Cleveland if Brown stays any longer.

    Rumors have it that Coach Cal is interested in the Bulls job and would attract LeBron to coming to Chicago.
     
  19. BEAT LA

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    Morey wants those picks to be worth as much as possible, so I'm sure he will be quick to throw them in a deal for LeBron if it means he won't go to NY.
     
  20. jevon3012

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    He didn't quit, he was just playing awful and these kinds of games are a consequence of two things:

    1. He has no outside jumpshot
    2. Celtics played zone
     

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